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tryme

tryme

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I woke up this morning to find my 9 month old veiled on the floor of his enclosure. Hes alive but he hasnt yet moved. He can only seem to hold up the front half of his body. I've tried touching him he can move his tail etc. I'm not sure if he DEFF cant move the back but I haven't seen him yet. I don't see how it can be MBD he has a 10.0 reptisun uvb tube. I suppliment his feeders well:( He was out in the sun yesterday for about 30 mins it was 28C he got a lil hot so I brought him in. I don't see what i've done wrong.
 
tryme said:
I woke up this morning to find my 9 month old veiled on the floor of his enclosure. Hes alive but he hasnt yet moved. He can only seem to hold up the front half of his body. I've tried touching him he can move his tail etc. I'm not sure if he DEFF cant move the back but I haven't seen him yet. I don't see how it can be MBD he has a 10.0 reptisun uvb tube. I suppliment his feeders well:( He was out in the sun yesterday for about 30 mins it was 28C he got a lil hot so I brought him in. I don't see what i've done wrong.
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Please provide all the needed info. This is located at: https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/. It will also help us to better assist you.
 
ive done that before this aint even a joke why should i have to fill that out again its emergency:(
 
Cage Info:
Cage Type - 38gal flexarium
Lighting - 10.0 reptisun tube + 40-50W bulb cant remember right now
Temperature - basking spot around 93-96F
Humidity - currently 55%
Plants - Are you using live plants? i think weeping fig and a few others cant remember right now
Location - ontop of a 4ft chest of draws

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - male veiled
Feeding - crix, locusts, mealworms and waxworms now and then
Supplements - one day use the D3 next day use calcium. none on sundays
Watering - misting 2 times a day with a pump sprayer
Fecal Description - poo is dark brown not to wet. the wee is white with a tint of orange/yellow in the tip
Current Problem - he was lying on his floor of the enclosure this morning. He's up and about now just worried
 
Supplementation of D3 is quite heavy (way too much)
I also don't like that you're giving him mealworms, although it doesn't sound like he gets too many.
When was the last time he pooped?
There are lots of guesses:
Hypervitaminosis
impaction
kidney issues ... etc.
A vet visit is in order.

-Brad
 
Ok so how many times a week should he be getting D3? How many times a week should he be getting pure calcium? I cleaned him out yesterday and found a few poo's which sugest he has been about twice this week (as of sunday)..

Sadly there is literally no vets in my area that will specialise or cater for lizards especially ones like chameleons :(
 
On the site linked in the previous post there is also a link to finding a vet in your area.
I don't know what to tell you.
You need to get him to a qualified veterinarian.

-Brad
 
Ok thanks. The only thing I can think of is it was so hot in the day time and then in the night I opened up all my windows and the temp dropped a hell of a lot. Or maybe he fell off his new vine (maybe it isn't secure enough?) ...and if he fell off in the night he may have thought the better of it and slept there?
 
As far as suplpements go I feed my Veiled everyother day and everyother time that I feed him I use just plain Calcium. Twice a month I use Calcium with D3 and once a month I use a Multivitamin. On the days that I use the D3 or Multivitamins I do not use the plain Calcium.......these count as the Calcium because they have Calcium in them. Here's where I get them:

http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/...cage-cleaners/
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Well he seems to be ok now which is strange. I'm starting to believe he fell but I still don't want to take chances and I will try my upmost to get him to a vet.

Would it be possible to view a supplimenting schedule or could somebody make me one? Also what are the recomended suppliment brands I should use? It will also help me SOO much if they was available on the www.livefoods.co.uk website
 
Please bare in mind I have already got Calypso calcium powder (without D3) and I also have Repton insect dusting suppliments which is made by EuroRep (which is my source of D3). I don't currently have a multivitamin or Pre-formed Vitamin A.
 
Not even suggesting that it could be MBD (unless there are obvious indications only a vet can tell you that)...but just giving you information...

Calcium, phosphorous, vitamin A and vitamin D3 play important parts in bone health....and they need to be in balance. (BTW, they play other important parts in the chameleon's system too.)

Exposure to UVB (that does not pass through glass or plastic) allows the chameleon to produce D3 which allows it to use the calcium in its system. If the chameleon is getting direct sunlight, then its quite likely that he should get no D3 in the supplements. D3 from supplements can build up in the chameleon's system.

Most of the feeder insects have a poor ratio of calcium to phos. so dusting with a phos.-free calcium powder helps to make up for this.

Vitamin A from beta carotene sources will not build up in the system like preformed will, but there is controversy as to whether chameleons can convert it to vitamin A. Some people use a little preformed vitamin A to ensure that they get some vitamin A. (I have not done this with veileds for many years....but it doesn't mean that it will hurt. I just do what works for me.) Excess preformed vitamin A will build up in the system and can prevent the D3 from doing its job and lead to MBD. One other thing...we don't really know how much preformed vitamin A there is in the insects we use. It would depend on whether vegetarian insects convert beta carotene or not or whether carnivorous insects contain preformed vitamin A from what they eat.
From the research I have done so far, insects do have some small amount of vitamin A regarding their vision and cockroaches can make vitamin A. (There is more that I have found out, but its too long to include here.)

You need to look at what you feed the chameleon, what you feed the insects and what you supplement with as well as take into consideration how much direct sun the chameleon gets when trying to balance the phos., calcium, D3 and vitamin A. This is not easy to figure out since there have been no conclusive studies done on it. All you can do is look at what people do and how their chameleons are as a result of it....and look at how your chameleon is doing with your husbandry and make any adjustments you feel are needed (if any).

Hope this helps...and if your chameleon is having the problem with not being able to move his back legs (or such) again then I would get it to a vet !
 
Brad ramseys blog says they dont think chams can use beta carotene though...

also my cham gets enough d3 and uvb etc as he has a 10.0 reptisun uvb tube and i suppliment his feeds often..as brad has pointed out a little too often. So i really dont think its MBD as he is up and about now
 
I think I need a new schedule which will indicate when to use D3 powder, when to use calcium powder, when to use multivit and when to use vit A. I haven't as of yet got a source of multivit or Vit A (apart from my D3 which contains lots of vits and minerals..it also contains vit A)
 
tryme said:
I think I need a new schedule which will indicate when to use D3 powder, when to use calcium powder, when to use multivit and when to use vit A. I haven't as of yet got a source of multivit or Vit A (apart from my D3 which contains lots of vits and minerals..it also contains vit A)
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Both of those links which I quoted for you in my earlier posts contain supplementing schedules. Brad's blog not only has schedules, but also hints at which brands of supplements he uses (look at the picture...)
The recommended supplements are:
- Repcal Calcium (no vit D3)
- Repcal Phosphorous free Calcium with Vitamin D3
- Herptivite multivitamin
- The vitamin A can be obtained from regular gel capsules prescribed for human supplementation (but if I were you, I'd steer away from Vit. A supplementation until you cham has seen a vet. Vit. A can easily be overdosed).

Seriously re-read the article on Brad's blog about supplementation.

How are you gutloading your feeder insects? Gutloading is actually even more important than supplementation.
 
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