Shipping Jackson's from Hawaii - anyone done it successfully?

[ChrisnLisa]

with it sleeping and its tail curled up i dont think they would think anything of it.

Toys don't have skeletal structures.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Toys don't have skeletal structures.

AH! see thats a better response, thank you for pointing out the obvious! and im not criticising you, i am laughing at myself for it not dawning on me till you pointed it out! I am so smart, i just had one of those days! "Trevor what are you doing? I'm going to get the walkie. Look on the side of your pants. Oh! Yeah!

 

[Brad]

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If there are reputable jacksonii vendors in the mainland, why go through all the trouble? Don't get me wrong, seeing xantholophus in the wild must be an exhilarating experience-- looking for them, finding them, photographing them. But where's the motivation to bringing them back? Just curious.

Fabián

Great question.

 

[eisentrauti]

I've heard that the jacksonii xantholophus ? from Hawaii should be eradicated

 

[rnara002]

Should they be irradicated ? How would that be possible ?

 

[eisentrauti]

Because they are an alien species

 

[CHAMaDdIcT]

the guy that taught me a lot about chams brought 2 over from Hawaii in his backpack but they died in 4 months

 

[Lancecham]

Six years ago, the process was to get the permit through the Dept. of Land and Natural Resources(as someone suggested). The only way to bring them legally is by doing it this way. The permit allows for a one time permit of 4 Jacksons. Now, if your plane does not accept them, then you can't bring them back.

 

[xanthoman]

just to clarify , i was not suggesting that they should be erradicated, i was simply saying that the hdnr views them as a problem because the are not a native species, and originally tried to erradicate them, now that veileds are begining to establish a foot hold, they are asking residents to report sightings of veileds and have initiated capture programs in a effort to prevent them from becoming established as well. because hawaii is an isolated eco system, the hdnr (as well as usda, usdfw, and hdfw) are all serious about the prevention of establishment of non native species, which is probably a good policy in general, but one does have to question their policies and methods of dealing with it. i personally feel that prevention of the establishing of non native species is probably a good idea in general, but if area is destined to be established with a non native species, then what better species than chameleons, they seem like they would be fairly benign, , i would personally love it if my state were invaded by chameleons,(and no i am not suggesting that washington state is about to be, or could be invaded by chameleons) but then i am not a biologist or politician and whether we chameleon lovers like it or not, there is a large segment of the population that hates reptiles in general. to many people, chameleons are just another scary lizard , on of my gf's relatives recently looked at our neonates and commented they were creepy looking, now who could ever think that they werent cute ?

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

have you been told by the airline reps where to find the official policy on this?

could be wrong but it sounds like you are giving up too easy.

ask a rep where to find the official policy on this, and if its not online, ask for it to be emailed, or faxed.

either way talk to a manager and ask them the same questions. explain you'll have US official permits, non venomous, slow moving animals in escape proof containers ect

but make make sure you have them show you how to find the official policy that relates to these animals , and that you talk to a manager, not supervisor but manager.

you could always sail home

 

[xanthoman]

has anyone even noticed that after thirty replies that no one has answered this guys original question (including me) / seems odd that on such a commonly asked and debated issue that no one has an answer

 

[Sang]

the answer is obviously no, it is to much of a trouble to ship chameleons from hawaii into the US of A.

also, if you went through a US importer that typically get their jacksons into the US, they have a way of doing it, but usually there shipments come in in such terrible shape, i wouldn't even suggest doing the way these people do it.

 

[Montium]

I think some folks give TSA and the airlines too much credit. I'd say get the permit and bring them on the plane without informing them. Then if questioned you point to the permit. Hawaii is a beautiful place, my family owns a home in kona, but they are the biggest xenophobes I have ever seen. Taken at face value that's fine, you wish to protect the native flora and fauna. The problem with it is they do zero research about the species they DO let in. The red eared slider for example, pound for pound one of the most aggressive eaters you will ever find, but they won't let in a mata mata.

Chameleons would be a benefit to the islands and could increase revenue for them but they'd rather stick with their schizophrenic system because it's worked so well for them in the past

 

[DGray]

because it is illegal to ship them off of the islands, they must travel with the permit holder ,/ the hdnr's reasoning on this,(is both logical & flawed) , hdnr's stand is that allowing them to be shipped off of the islands, encourages trade (for profit) in the species... but the hdnr views them as a pest and wants to discourage trade... ... hdnr's efforts to erradicate them have obviously failed, as they are now well established on most of the islands .... i firmly believe that making it legal and profitable to trade in them without limits, would erradicate them from the islands in a matter of years, regardless of peoples attempts to perpetuate the wild populations.

I've being going to Oahu once or twice a year since the early '80s and have had a chance to see the animals many times in habitat. I've also followed the legal side of the story for this period. I consider myself a staunch environmentalist, of the purist sort. I would theoretically like to see them eliminated ( hopefully by capture ), but that proposition is utterly unrealistic. They live on near-vertical cliffs in many places on many islands.

... but i have to believe, like most government things, they are making it more complicated than it needs to be.

In Hawai`i, that goes without saying.

... further, even though hdnrs own studies have so far proved them to be fairly harmless to the native species and habitat / although i have never been there, i personaly feel (and i am sure many both residents and non residents would agree) that the islands would be a lessor place without them, so far, they have proven to take nothing, and add only beauty, however i am sure like all things, there are always some, who dont agree. go figure

I am not aware of any studies conducted on Kaua`i; I think this is where the real concern lies regarding their potential to harm remaining native endangered species.

I think some folks give TSA and the airlines too much credit....

Hawai`ian authorities DO have dogs that sniff for plants AND lizards both coming and going. The dogs are sometimes obvious at airports and their seizures are touted in the evening news. TSA could care less about Chameleons AFAIK.

Taken at face value that's fine, you wish to protect the native flora and fauna. The problem with it is they do zero research about the species they DO let in. The red eared slider for example, pound for pound one of the most aggressive eaters you will ever find, but they won't let in a mata mata.

Great point. Classic third world logic at work.

Chameleons would be a benefit to the islands and could increase revenue for them but they'd rather stick with their schizophrenic system because it's worked so well for them in the past

That would be good topic for debate.

And, with apologies to the OP: I think you are better off buying a nice "captive-raised" pair. I have a feeling that the "breeders" who are shipping have a prior arrangement with the authorities. They'll ship them to you.

 

[kinyonga]

Googling an answer...don't know if its true or not....
http://hawaiideptland.custhelp.com/.../std_adp.php?p_faqid=109&p_created=1009713711

 

[laurie]

If the airlines won't permit bringing them back, how about cruise ships? Lots of people take cruises to or from Hawaii.

 

[DGray]

cruisin with cameleons

I can't really see a cruise ship letting you bring their food supply on board - what if four days worth of crickets gets loose on their billion-dollar ship?

 

[Syn]

I can't really see a cruise ship letting you bring their food supply on board - what if four days worth of crickets gets loose on their billion-dollar ship?

Chirp chirp chirp chirp... complementary ear-plugs.

 

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