Sad News
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Lizardlover
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aww thats horrible!
zaith
New Member
Yeah he looked like he was going to be really sweet already had red stripes on his eyes like his dad Aldaris. I am still waiting on a return phone call and none of my emails have gone through
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THECHAMMAN
Established Member
i thought you couldnt ship below 50F
zaith
New Member
We had delayed the for over a week due to cold weather. i tried to call them yesterday but couldn't get through.
Lizardlover
New Member
Best of luck to you with that situation
Cainschams
New Member
I am sorry to hear about the bad news. Try to get a hold of them as soon as possible because DOAs need to be delt with timely to get a refund. Im sure they will be happy to give you a refund but will be sad about the unfortunate event. They have one of the best reputations in the business. I have been holding out on shipping because I am not comfortable about the weather (sorry debbie) and I havent shipped in cold weather either.
Chamman. lllreptile says they ship in 35 degree weather. Ive heard not under 40 myself but I think 50 would be the safest bet. The thing is is you dont want them to get too cold but then you dont want them to be too hot from to much insulation and heatpacks. I see this as very tricky.
Chamman. lllreptile says they ship in 35 degree weather. Ive heard not under 40 myself but I think 50 would be the safest bet. The thing is is you dont want them to get too cold but then you dont want them to be too hot from to much insulation and heatpacks. I see this as very tricky.
ciafardo 4
New Member
liddy has got to be one of the sweetest people to deal the kammers are a top notch outfit thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jusmebabe
Member
For the record you can ship in 20 degree weather or colder..
I've shipped to Alaska, and Chicago in the dead of winter and it doesn't get much colder than those places.
All you have to do is package correctly and it's simple.
Your chameleon may have been tossed or banged during shipping.
Just wanted to clear that up as people think you can't ship in the winter but that's what heat packs are for, shipping during cold periods like winter..
I've shipped to Alaska, and Chicago in the dead of winter and it doesn't get much colder than those places.
All you have to do is package correctly and it's simple.
Your chameleon may have been tossed or banged during shipping.
Just wanted to clear that up as people think you can't ship in the winter but that's what heat packs are for, shipping during cold periods like winter..
Robert Johnson
New Member
absolutely correct, my dealer told me that adult panther chams can withstand high 40's for extended periods as long as they have adamant basking during the day time.
With advanced Stiro-foam boxes and not polyurethane boxes as well as multiple heat packs and ventilation, you can ship into the single digit range from my experience with other reptiles.
With advanced Stiro-foam boxes and not polyurethane boxes as well as multiple heat packs and ventilation, you can ship into the single digit range from my experience with other reptiles.
ocdirtyjerz
New Member
That is terrible news. I personally don't think you should be shipping in anything below 50F. Why risk the chams life?
jusmebabe
Member
Temp isn't a factor if packaged properly and I'm sure the Kammers know how to pack.
Why ship chameleons period as the handling of the packages via shipping companies is far worse that the weather.
Try this, take a styro lined box pack it like you would for shipping with a heat pack. Place a temp gauge with a probe and place inside the box. seal the box and place in the fridge. Check it 5 hours or how ever long you want and see what the temp is..
It's like people saying to place holes in the box for air. That makes no sense as there's plenty of air in the box for a reptile or amphibian.
Sorry for the rant but dont blame the temps
Why ship chameleons period as the handling of the packages via shipping companies is far worse that the weather.
Try this, take a styro lined box pack it like you would for shipping with a heat pack. Place a temp gauge with a probe and place inside the box. seal the box and place in the fridge. Check it 5 hours or how ever long you want and see what the temp is..
It's like people saying to place holes in the box for air. That makes no sense as there's plenty of air in the box for a reptile or amphibian.
Sorry for the rant but dont blame the temps
Robert Johnson
New Member
Actually,The holes in the box are essential not for the reptiles breathing but because heating elements require oxygen to sustain heat, and much like a fire they draw oxygen from the air while active.
The average 20 hour heat pack will peak at 120-140 degree F in 4-6 hours, without ventilation the animal will die.
The refrigerator test is always a good idea
The average 20 hour heat pack will peak at 120-140 degree F in 4-6 hours, without ventilation the animal will die.
The refrigerator test is always a good idea
jusmebabe
Member
I know this is old but I just saw it after all this time lol.
HOles aren't needed and I have never used them nor have anybreeders who have shipped to me inclideing some well known reputable sellers.
All I do is place the red strip facing outward.
I'm not sure where the putting holes in the box came from but not needed.
Worst case you are allowing temps to flucuate and that would be a bigger problem than anything.
HOles aren't needed and I have never used them nor have anybreeders who have shipped to me inclideing some well known reputable sellers.
All I do is place the red strip facing outward.
I'm not sure where the putting holes in the box came from but not needed.
Worst case you are allowing temps to flucuate and that would be a bigger problem than anything.
