Rescued Veileds nails, tail tip, fractured leg and possible tail

[kenya]

My thought was that they were subject to some sort of fungus as they are very yellow, but I am unsure. what should I do about them? There is the one long super sharp one and then all sorts of different lengths. Most of them are blocky in shape and she is even missing a couple. A few curl to the side and just rest on the side of the branch without actually gripping it.

Suggestions? I bet nutrition will help this. Here is the other thread about this girl if you haven't seen it: https://www.chameleonforums.com/rescued-two-veileds-tonight-16414/

Here are various photos of her claws:

And here is her tail tip- is this from a bit of retained shed?

Here is a photo showing her back leg and where I think a fracture is. Her side is shiny from her burn. I think she may have a fracture or two in her tail but she seems to be using it fine. I will have some x rays done at the vet's office:

 

[veiledchamguy]

Thats soo sad.....

please keep everyone posted....

 

[Kelz1916]

I can't believe that people can let this happen. It is so sad that she's had to live such a miserable life. Thank goodness there are people like you who get them out of these terrible situations. How did you find out about her? If I find any in my area I will go save them in a heart beat!

 

[kenya]

I can't believe that people can let this happen. It is so sad that she's had to live such a miserable life. Thank goodness there are people like you who get them out of these terrible situations. How did you find out about her? If I find any in my area I will go save them in a heart beat!

I got her and another female veiled off of Craigslist last Friday. They are both doing a ton better already and I am making a vet appointment possibly tomorrow.

I appreciate the kind words- have you ever seen anything like her nails and tail tip?

 

[Kelz1916]

I just got my 1st veiled 8/17 this year. She turned 3 months on 10/1 I got a panther a week ago today he just turned 4 months on Sunday. So needless to say my experience is very little, so I haven't seen that before. Were they listed as rescues on craigslist or did the people actually think they took care of the poor girls?

 

[kenya]

I just got my 1st veiled 8/17 this year. She turned 3 months on 10/1 I got a panther a week ago today he just turned 4 months on Sunday. So needless to say my experience is very little, so I haven't seen that before. Were they listed as rescues on craigslist or did the people actually think they took care of the poor girls?

People thought they were taking great care of them. :\ It was really hard for me not to be snappy and correct them when they told me about the "care" the chams should be getting. They both handled them a lot and had kids that did, too. The cham with the most problems, Euka, was coddled A LOT by her previous owner. When we went to leave, the lady snatched (ripped) her off of my hand and kissed her on the face and kind of swung her around. It was heart breaking. She also would give Euka water twice a week from the kitchen tap and showed me how (trust me, I didn't ask to see!) and really aspirated the poor girl. She was popping and gasping and clearly trying to get away but was very weak. She also rippecd her off of the side of the birdcage she was housed in and this is possibly where Eukas fracture int he back leg came from.


I was super excited today though because the other female, Calypso, hissed at me and displayed when I came to feed her! She wasn't like that before- they are learning to be chameleons again and are finally being allowed to be what they are and not be bothered, poked, prodded and handled constantly.

It does make it easier though when I have to check them over, move them, take Euka out for feeding and burn treatment etc. They are very docile and don't mind handling much- they stay very bright and go with it. It must be nice for them to not be handled more that necessary, though.

I'm glad I got them- I just hope I do a good job addressing their various issues. I will be finding good homes for them once they are healthy enough.

 

[Rocky]

kenya i really hope your little girls get better i know moose my veiled male is rooting for them

There are 2 pet stores in my home town, one of them is very good with lizards, the other is horrible. The good one had someone bring in a veiled chameleon that they bought at the "bad one" and the veiled chameleon had horrible mbd. The casque had fallen over and the back looked like a camel because it had a huge dip in the middle i tried to help them with all the info i could give them, but she eventually passed. Luckily your girls look like they will be well soon with a little TLC

 

[summoner12]

People thought they were taking great care of them. :\ It was really hard for me not to be snappy and correct them when they told me about the "care" the chams should be getting. They both handled them a lot and had kids that did, too. The cham with the most problems, Euka, was coddled A LOT by her previous owner. When we went to leave, the lady snatched (ripped) her off of my hand and kissed her on the face and kind of swung her around. It was heart breaking. She also would give Euka water twice a week from the kitchen tap and showed me how (trust me, I didn't ask to see!) and really aspirated the poor girl. She was popping and gasping and clearly trying to get away but was very weak. She also rippecd her off of the side of the birdcage she was housed in and this is possibly where Eukas fracture int he back leg came from.


I was super excited today though because the other female, Calypso, hissed at me and displayed when I came to feed her! She wasn't like that before- they are learning to be chameleons again and are finally being allowed to be what they are and not be bothered, poked, prodded and handled constantly.

It does make it easier though when I have to check them over, move them, take Euka out for feeding and burn treatment etc. They are very docile and don't mind handling much- they stay very bright and go with it. It must be nice for them to not be handled more that necessary, though.

I'm glad I got them- I just hope I do a good job addressing their various issues. I will be finding good homes for them once they are healthy enough.

Your story horrifies me... I can't believe some people.... They aren't toys people!



Edit: I am very glad you have them... and not those retards

 

[Brad Ramsey]

It looks to me like the burn scar is finished healing.
I think it is going to be this way for the rest of her life and there's not much to do about that.
Her toenails look to me as if the previous owner was trimming them and all you can do is improve her diet and supplements, and leave them alone.
With the vets help you should be able to give both of these girls a much better life than they have previously experienced.
Good work!

-Brad

 

[kenya]

It looks to me like the burn scar is finished healing.
I think it is going to be this way for the rest of her life and there's not much to do about that.
Her toenails look to me as if the previous owner was trimming them and all you can do is improve her diet and supplements, and leave them alone.
With the vets help you should be able to give both of these girls a much better life than they have previously experienced.
Good work!

-Brad

Thanks, Brad!

By the way, Euka (the worse off one) opened her bad eye today!! I didn't get a good look in but I am so excited that she opened it- they both seem to be doing better, even after less than a week. What resilient animals!! (when you don't try...? That's ironic.)

 

[Dave Weldon]

And here is her tail tip- is this from a bit of retained shed?

Howdy Nikolau,

I'll toss in a comment about the tail. If that is the start of "tail-tip rot" then you might want to follow the oral dosing schedule for vitamin A. Somewhere (I can't find the link ) tail-tip rot is tied to a lack of vitamin A.

Here's a link to one of the discussions about dosing with vitamin A.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/food-thought-12472/#post100844

That post lists the treatment dose as:
"Recommended treatment dose: 2000 IU/30g body weight by mouth every 7d x 2 doses."

Read that as one dose and then another in a week. This is to treat for an illness that is caused by a lack of vitamin A.

After the treatment doses are done then a regular dosing at:
"Recommended dietary levels: Dusts providing up to 60 IU/g dry matter or 5-9 IU/g cricket dry matter."

You might want to try the two treatment doses and see what happens. It's always a good idea to bounce this off of your vet first, especially the diagnosis of tail-tip rot.

 

[kenya]

Howdy Nikolau,

I'll toss in a comment about the tail. If that is the start of "tail-tip rot" then you might want to follow the oral dosing schedule for vitamin A. Somewhere (I can't find the link ) tail-tip rot is tied to a lack of vitamin A.

Here's a link to one of the discussions about dosing with vitamin A.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/food-thought-12472/#post100844

That post lists the treatment dose as:
"Recommended treatment dose: 2000 IU/30g body weight by mouth every 7d x 2 doses."

Read that as one dose and then another in a week. This is to treat for an illness that is caused by a lack of vitamin A.

After the treatment doses are done then a regular dosing at:
"Recommended dietary levels: Dusts providing up to 60 IU/g dry matter or 5-9 IU/g cricket dry matter."

You might want to try the two treatment doses and see what happens. It's always a good idea to bounce this off of your vet first, especially the diagnosis of tail-tip rot.

Hey Dave- thanks for the tip! I knew she definitely had a vitamin A deficiency because of her eyes but have never heard of tail problems from it. Are you saying to use preformed or just beta carotene? I use herptivite with beta carotene added once or twice a week for her right now and she has had a dose of preformed vitamin A. She seems to be doing much better already and even opened her bad eye for the first time yesterday so I think the vitamin A is a direct cause of her improvement. Her good eye seems more centered now as well and she is looking around more. What do you think?

Thanks!

Nikki

 

[Dave Weldon]

...Are you saying to use preformed or just beta carotene?
...she has had a dose of preformed vitamin A...

Howdy Nikki,

If you already gave her a dose of preformed vitamin A then that's probably good enough for now to keep her from being really sick from a lack of it. I'm still in the preformed camp when it comes to vitamin A. Some research (Mader's med book) talks about how Beta carotene may not do much for chameleons .

 

[kenya]

Howdy Nikki,

If you already gave her a dose of preformed vitamin A then that's probably good enough for now to keep her from being really sick from a lack of it. I'm still in the preformed camp when it comes to vitamin A. Some research (Mader's med book) talks about how Beta carotene may not do much for chameleons .

I am of the same opinion.

They are both doing great and it seems the preformed I gave them a few days ago is a factor since Eukas eyes are getting better.