Rescued two veileds tonight- opinions? please read

[Sang]

bubble wrap on the bottom >.> *JOKING*....well maybe im joking.

 

[Brad Ramsey]

I think the calcium supplementation is going to help those nails.
I would leave them alone.

-Brad

 

[Chameleons Northwest]

For dry gutload I use Kristina's from off the Melleri website. Here is a link to the page that has the link to the gutload. Scroll down the page until you see the link to Kristina's gutload. The font is in blue. The document opens in a word file, or similar file.
http://www.melleridiscovery.com/index.html

For the older veiled cham we had with the funny nails- I did not mess with the nails. But she did get calcium supplemented.

I don't know about vitamin E for burns. I used silvadene.

I recommend a short cage, too. We put Chidiebere in a short cage and then added small soft plants at the bottom and lots of vines and horizontals. We didn't have many tall vertical branches in the cage because they hindered her as she began to grip and walk again.

 

[Chameleons Northwest]

bubble wrap on the bottom >.> *JOKING*....well maybe im joking.

That's not such a bad idea, perhaps.

What has been recommended to me for cushioning is this: at Home Depot they sell gray pipe-wrap for use in insulating pipes in underfloors, etc. These is handy to use to cover the edges of planters or any other sharp or firm edge inside the cage. Home Depot and Lowes also sell green mesh in their garden department. It is used to create shady overhangs on decks, etc. But it us like a soft plastic mesh, nonabsorbent, and washable, and works well to wad up in areas of the cage where a fall could happen. It is sold in packages, or by the foot, and is pretty inexpensive. I always keep a bunch of it around because we also use it to create the visual barriers between cages (because it allows some airflow).

 

[kenya]

You should be able to get the liquid calcium at a pharmacy.

It could be the MBD making her grip weak that is stopping her from holding on to the branches. Calcium levels affect the muscles. I still think filing them will be quite stressful. For an old chameleon that has trouble gripping, I often take a piece of bark and put it in the cage on an angle but so that the chameleon can still get up near the top but has less trouble gripping. It should work for this one too. I also have suggested that people with chameleons with MBD put them in shorter cages so that there is less distance to fall and less chance of injury until the bones are strong again.

Thanks for the advice! I will put some angled platforms in for her and leave her nails alone. I will go pick up liquid calcium today- should I inject feeders with it?

Also, both of them are outside right now- it is overcast bet better than nothing.

 

[kenya]

bubble wrap on the bottom >.> *JOKING*....well maybe im joking.

My male Jackson's likes to roam and climb his screen, no matter how big his enclosure or how many plants

He has bubblewrap in the bottom as he slides down his screen on occasion (he seems to have worn his nails down a bit- I would free range him but he has shown that he wanders the whole house if allowed.)

 

[kenya]

For dry gutload I use Kristina's from off the Melleri website. Here is a link to the page that has the link to the gutload. Scroll down the page until you see the link to Kristina's gutload. The font is in blue. The document opens in a word file, or similar file.
http://www.melleridiscovery.com/index.html

For the older veiled cham we had with the funny nails- I did not mess with the nails. But she did get calcium supplemented.

I don't know about vitamin E for burns. I used silvadene.

I recommend a short cage, too. We put Chidiebere in a short cage and then added small soft plants at the bottom and lots of vines and horizontals. We didn't have many tall vertical branches in the cage because they hindered her as she began to grip and walk again.

Where can I get silvadene? Just at a pharmacy? I am going to get liquid calcium today so I could pick that up at the same time.

I don't have a short cage right now- I am using her original birdcage (until I can get a hold of a proper cage) with lots of fake leafy vines run through the bars. She isn't a side climber and stays on her branches. She seems to get around okay- I think it is that she can't see very well and she has to feel her way around. I may just suspend some of the mesh you were talking about in the middle of the cage to make a bouncy bottom to catch her if she falls and thetry to get some bushy small ficus or schefflera for the lower ends.

Does that sound like a good idea?

 

[jannb]

I'm pretty sure you can get silvadene at the vet only. Jann

 

[macro junkie]

Hey guys, I ended up with two female veileds tonight, each from a different source. One is not as bad as I thought she might be, the other is worse and possibly very, very eggbound.

Veiled one:

3.5 years old

no supplements ever used

No UVB- had a ceramic heat emitter about a foot away from the cage on the side- I don't think it raised the temp at all and there were no thermometers in the cage

Housed in a very large birdcage with one biovine and several ornaments on the bottom (plastic white tiger toys :S )

will not shoot tongue (for past ~2 years)

?

this makes me sick..some people have no morals..they get reptiles no even knowing how to look after them..well at least its in good hands now..please keep us updated on how they do.

 

[Chameleons Northwest]

Where can I get silvadene? Just at a pharmacy? I am going to get liquid calcium today so I could pick that up at the same time.

I don't have a short cage right now- I am using her original birdcage (until I can get a hold of a proper cage) with lots of fake leafy vines run through the bars. She isn't a side climber and stays on her branches. She seems to get around okay- I think it is that she can't see very well and she has to feel her way around. I may just suspend some of the mesh you were talking about in the middle of the cage to make a bouncy bottom to catch her if she falls and thetry to get some bushy small ficus or schefflera for the lower ends.

Does that sound like a good idea?

Silvadene is by prescription from the vet. Yes, I have used the green mesh to create a hammock once for a sick Melleri juvenile. Worked very well.

 

[kenya]

I went to two local pharmacys and could not get either of the liquid calciums mentioned. I will be calling my vet tomorrow and probably going Thursday or so. Is there anything else I can do in the meantime? I was considering injecting crickets with calcium powder mixed with some water or glycerin? Is that going to be helpful or too much?

I will look into the burn ointment mentioned, too.

They both got about 2 hours of overcast today and then I had to bring them back in as it got kind of cold. I will keep putting them out daily if it isn't raining and hopefully it will help to improve their conditions.

Any requests for photos or info pertaining to their specific issues? I am available via PM, too.

Thanks for the replies and hopefully I am not flooding the thread and board too much Just trying to get it right.

 

[kinyonga]

Did you ask the pharmacy if they could order it in? Maybe a healthfood store would carry it?

 

[Sang]

maybe wanna do a close up of the burns?


if you can't get silvydine, .its not cheap and its prescription. they may make a over the counter version or something similar that might work. but silvidine is extremly strong, when my brother burnt 90% of his leg from the knee down with 2/3 degree burns thats what we had to use on his leg.

 

[kenya]

Did you ask the pharmacy if they could order it in? Maybe a healthfood store would carry it?

I could see if we could get it at work but it would take a while and our prices aren't great...(I work at a healthfood coop and we don't have it)

Are there any other types that would work?

Also, do you think that Costco would have it? Walgreens did not, nor did our little local pharmacy.

 

[kenya]

maybe wanna do a close up of the burns?


if you can't get silvydine, .its not cheap and its prescription. they may make a over the counter version or something similar that might work. but silvidine is extremly strong, when my brother burnt 90% of his leg from the knee down with 2/3 degree burns thats what we had to use on his leg.

Her burn is rather old. About two and a half years, I think. I want to treat it mostly for cosmetic reasons- do you think something that strong is going to be helpful, overkill or possibly toxic?

 

[Sang]

not toxic, the cream is really good, but its best on freash burns. id probably try just a light layer of neosporin, i think they make one for burns. silvidine is really made to keep bad burns from getting infected, keeping the wound sealed off from bacteria from entering the burn. it has a loot of soothing agents, and from what i have scene increases healing time.

 

[kenya]

Here are the girls getting some sun today.

Also, I got some new gutloading stuff to add in to the current mix- I got lecithin, raw sunflower kernals, wheat germ, 10 grain cereal (like tiny grained hot cereal and farina), hemp seet nuts, limes, sweet potato, yam, kelp powder, Irish moss powder, alfalfa leaves, dandelion leaves, soy protein, spirulina and some others I can't think of. We shall see what it does! These are all great powerfoods, btw. They hemp seed nuts contain all of the omega amino acids and a lot of vitamin a and e.


I am going to go feed the girls now.

 

[bosco]

Kenia, the plant in the first pics is a "Jasminum"?
Because I think it's venomous for the chams, but I'm not sure.

 

[Sang]

I think they are fake man. it looks that way. the branches are provided as a way for her to climb down into the laying bin.

 

[kenya]

Kenia, the plant in the first pics is a "Jasminum"?
Because I think it's venomous for the chams, but I'm not sure.

All of the plants right now are fake until I can get a solid fecal on these two. Way to look out, though!