kenya
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Hey guys, I ended up with two female veileds tonight, each from a different source. One is not as bad as I thought she might be, the other is worse and possibly very, very eggbound.
Veiled one:
3.5 years old
no supplements ever used
No UVB- had a ceramic heat emitter about a foot away from the cage on the side- I don't think it raised the temp at all and there were no thermometers in the cage
Housed in a very large birdcage with one biovine and several ornaments on the bottom (plastic white tiger toys :S )
will not shoot tongue (for past ~2 years)
fed mealworms and snowpeas as main food sources-basically force fed- the owner would slip the pea in and get her to chew and then would put mealworms into her mouth while she chewed
never misted- drank from kitchen sink twice a week or so
suspected vitamin A deficiency (she has one eye scarred over with barely a slit open, squishes it often and it has a little bump on the top of the eyelid and the other eye does not seem to focus at all)
Misshapen back but no obvious signs of bad MBD- legs slightly curvy around the elbows though
Large burn over entire side of body- apparently happened a year or two ago- I am surprised it didn't kill her.
Seems very eggbound- large tummy, especially in back, boxy shaped
She seems to have no depth perception or focus and won't hold onto branches. She will sit partially on a branch and flail a leg or two around aimlessly or let a leg just hang off the branch while gripping with it's twin.
Her nails are kind of long, very yellow and curved more than other chams I have seen
I have cleaned her cage out completely and rearranged it, adding more fake plants, perches, hiding spots, and a large pot of ecoearth mixed with washed sand for laying. I have a regular basking spot and a new Repti-Sun set up for her.
For feeding and supplements:
I was thinking I would give her calcium at every feeding and d3 twice a week for the first month or so. Do you think that would be over doing it? I also will give her preformed vitamin A sometime this week and once every two weeks thereafter until her eyes show improvement. Vitamins will be once a week for now. Opinions?
Here are photos:
cage before cleaning
Her from various angles:
Bad eye:
Good eye:
Burn:
After cage cleaned and set up with what I had tonight:
Her in bottom (I put her in the pot with laying medium as she wouldn't stay on the branches very well):
Veiled two:
This one is not as bad as I thought she would be, especially judging from the photo in her ad. She was hunkered down in the photo, eyes shut, legs looking wobbly, sitting in someones hand and not supporting herself.
She is an adult, unknown age at this point
She has some small robin blue spotting and some large orange spots (does this mean gravid or receptive?) She has super long nails that are very sharp
She has had clutches in the past.
She was being kept in a very small exoterra glass tank without any lights and about four inches of dirt in the bottom. She had some perches and what looked like dead branches with leaves still attached from outside.
She seems to be okay bone wise, has a very strong grip but could use some vitamins and more calcium. She was given crickets dusted with Miner-All with D3 at every feeding.
She seems to have a lot of retained shed here and there.
She is currently in my small schefflera tree until I can borrow and sanitize a reptarium from a friend tomorrow. I have not tried feeding her yet but will supplement with calcium without D3 at every feeding, vitamins once a week for a bit, Vitamin A twice for the month and then once a month (normal) and D3 once a week.
Photos of her:
Before settling in in my tree:
After:
Both chameleons will get some showers and be fed silkies, crickets, roaches, superworms and if I can get them... hornworms. They are both dehydrated to an extent. Both will also get a round of Panacur. I plan on taking them to my vet once I have the cash- it may be a week or so but I think that it will be okay.
Any comments? Ideas?
Veiled one:
3.5 years old
no supplements ever used
No UVB- had a ceramic heat emitter about a foot away from the cage on the side- I don't think it raised the temp at all and there were no thermometers in the cage
Housed in a very large birdcage with one biovine and several ornaments on the bottom (plastic white tiger toys :S )
will not shoot tongue (for past ~2 years)
fed mealworms and snowpeas as main food sources-basically force fed- the owner would slip the pea in and get her to chew and then would put mealworms into her mouth while she chewed
never misted- drank from kitchen sink twice a week or so
suspected vitamin A deficiency (she has one eye scarred over with barely a slit open, squishes it often and it has a little bump on the top of the eyelid and the other eye does not seem to focus at all)
Misshapen back but no obvious signs of bad MBD- legs slightly curvy around the elbows though
Large burn over entire side of body- apparently happened a year or two ago- I am surprised it didn't kill her.
Seems very eggbound- large tummy, especially in back, boxy shaped
She seems to have no depth perception or focus and won't hold onto branches. She will sit partially on a branch and flail a leg or two around aimlessly or let a leg just hang off the branch while gripping with it's twin.
Her nails are kind of long, very yellow and curved more than other chams I have seen
I have cleaned her cage out completely and rearranged it, adding more fake plants, perches, hiding spots, and a large pot of ecoearth mixed with washed sand for laying. I have a regular basking spot and a new Repti-Sun set up for her.
For feeding and supplements:
I was thinking I would give her calcium at every feeding and d3 twice a week for the first month or so. Do you think that would be over doing it? I also will give her preformed vitamin A sometime this week and once every two weeks thereafter until her eyes show improvement. Vitamins will be once a week for now. Opinions?
Here are photos:
cage before cleaning
Her from various angles:
Bad eye:
Good eye:
Burn:
After cage cleaned and set up with what I had tonight:
Her in bottom (I put her in the pot with laying medium as she wouldn't stay on the branches very well):
Veiled two:
This one is not as bad as I thought she would be, especially judging from the photo in her ad. She was hunkered down in the photo, eyes shut, legs looking wobbly, sitting in someones hand and not supporting herself.
She is an adult, unknown age at this point
She has some small robin blue spotting and some large orange spots (does this mean gravid or receptive?) She has super long nails that are very sharp
She has had clutches in the past.
She was being kept in a very small exoterra glass tank without any lights and about four inches of dirt in the bottom. She had some perches and what looked like dead branches with leaves still attached from outside.
She seems to be okay bone wise, has a very strong grip but could use some vitamins and more calcium. She was given crickets dusted with Miner-All with D3 at every feeding.
She seems to have a lot of retained shed here and there.
She is currently in my small schefflera tree until I can borrow and sanitize a reptarium from a friend tomorrow. I have not tried feeding her yet but will supplement with calcium without D3 at every feeding, vitamins once a week for a bit, Vitamin A twice for the month and then once a month (normal) and D3 once a week.
Photos of her:
Before settling in in my tree:
After:
Both chameleons will get some showers and be fed silkies, crickets, roaches, superworms and if I can get them... hornworms. They are both dehydrated to an extent. Both will also get a round of Panacur. I plan on taking them to my vet once I have the cash- it may be a week or so but I think that it will be okay.
Any comments? Ideas?