Rescue Veiled MBD

[Nicholasdeaan]

So I rescued a female veiled today with very bad MBD. I won't disclose where I got her from. They said she saw a vet and they gave her a calcium. Apprarently this was 3 weeks ago and she has been doing much better since then. She was getting fed mealworms and crickets dusted with reptical all in one. She's about 9 months old and appears to be gravid IMO. Maybe she isn't. I set up a free range with cushon on the bottom for if she falls. What's a good recommend supplement schedule for her? Any experts or members who have had success with a rescue please chime in. All advice and input is appreciated!

 

[kinyonga]

Poor girl. I'm glad you rescued her. You have your hands full now though.

She does look gravid and with the MBD it might be hard for her tonlay the eggs since calcium also plays a part in making the muscles function. Does she have a place to dig so she can show you if she wants to lay eggs?

Are you going to take her to a vet to find out her calcium levels?

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Poor girl. I'm glad you rescued her. You have your hands full now though.

She does look gravid and with the MBD it might be hard for her tonlay the eggs since calcium also plays a part in making the muscles function. Does she have a place to dig so she can show you if she wants to lay eggs?

Are you going to take her to a vet to find out her calcium levels?

That I do! No does not. She will tmrow since as of right now all the stores that sell playsand and/or top soil are closed. I plan on putting her in a bin tomorrow to see she what does. I do plan on making a vet trip. First I'm going to let her settle in for a week or so. She's climbing around decently and is well hydrated from what I can see. The last owner said the vet gave her calcium shots and that she's shown a lot of improvement mobility wise. I'm hoping that helped stopped the MBD from going any further. She'll definitely be getting heavily dusted crickets for the mean time. I'm concerned with her becoming eggbound or if she is all ready. She's still been eating so I feel as tho she isn't but rather gravid. Any feeding tips? I'm not sure if her tongue functions fully or not even.

 

[jannb]

Thank you for taking her in. I recommend liquid calcium, for now and for awhile after she lays the eggs. I would also dig the hole for her to lay in. She will probably have a hard time laying since she has MBD. If you live in a warm weather climate then some outside time would be excellent for her. Please keep us posted on how she does.

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Thank you for taking her in. I recommend liquid calcium, for now and for awhile after she lays the eggs. I would also dig the hole for her to lay in. She will probably have a hard time laying since she has MBD. If you live in a warm weather climate then some outside time would be excellent for her. Please keep us posted on how she does.

Will a couple drops of it do a day? I'm trying to find a plastic feeding syringe but haven't had much luck. I'm putting her in a bin this afternoon. Hopefully she will lay and isn't eggbound. I'll dig her a starter hole. Will keep you guys posted.

 

[jannb]

Will a couple drops of it do a day? I'm trying to find a plastic feeding syringe but haven't had much luck. I'm putting her in a bin this afternoon. Hopefully she will lay and isn't eggbound. I'll dig her a starter hole. Will keep you guys posted.

Two small drops a day would be correct,

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Two small drops a day would be correct,

Thank you. I will do that along with dusting her feeders. If I can get her to eat.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

She does look gravid and this is a severe complication that may require spaying her. See more on MBD here: https://www.chameleonforums.com/what-metabolic-bone-disease-mbd-looks-like-how-happens-how-fix-95071

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

She does look gravid and this is a severe complication that may require spaying her. See more on MBD here: https://www.chameleonforums.com/what-metabolic-bone-disease-mbd-looks-like-how-happens-how-fix-95071

I'm trying to use the link and it's not allowing me. Could you pm it to me please?

 

[jannb]

Here's the link again.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/thr...-like-how-it-happens-and-how-to-fix-it.95071/

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Here's the link again.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/thr...-like-how-it-happens-and-how-to-fix-it.95071/

Thank you I read it. Why is it sometime required to have them spayed though?

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

When there is not enough calcium in the body due to metabolic bone disease she may be unable to lay eggs because the shells may be too soft from lack of calcium or the oviducts can't contract enough to lay them from lack of calcium. Egg binding is fatal if they can't lay them so I've had to spay females suffering from MBD as egg binding is a major complication.

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

When there is not enough calcium in the body due to metabolic bone disease she may be unable to lay eggs because the shells may be too soft from lack of calcium or the oviducts can't contract enough to lay them from lack of calcium. Egg binding is fatal if they can't lay them so I've had to spay females suffering from MBD as egg binding is a major complication.

I thought you meant spay as in if she lays this clutch, that she would have trouble laying them in the future. And yes you're right, hopefully the eggs aren't to soft and she can lay. I'm starting liquid calcium tonight orally. I'll call my vet and talk to them about it. Luckily I don't believe she's eggbound yet since she's still eating and moving well. IMO. I have her in a bin as we speak. Hope for the best I suppose.

 

[absolutbill]

Good luck with her - you're in the right spot for information. Keep us posted on her progress!

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Good luck with her - you're in the right spot for information. Keep us posted on her progress!

Thank you! She didn't lay today. She did eat tho. She'll be given another chance tomorrow evening. I just got done setting up a drainage system for her free range. She's climbing around quite well for how bad the MBD is.

 

[MaiRemy]

Phoenix worms should help her a lot! Meal worms are high in phosphorus. Phoenix worms have a higher ratio so they'd def boost her back up a bit faster! (Based off of my reasearch) Good luck pretty girl.

 

[kinyonga]

Are you moving her back and forth to a laying bin?

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Are you moving her back and forth to a laying bin?

Yes. She was in there for about 4 hours today with no results. Tomorrow I plan on waiting towards the evening to put her back in it. I have a large tote with 8-9 inches of wet play sand in it. Since she's free range I really don't have any other option. She'll climb out of anything else. Another member on here who free ranges suggested it.

 

[MaiRemy]

Just remember , females need 2x as much more calcium than the males do. Their feeders are extremely important. Many reported that phoenix worms help cure calcium diffenciency! Just saying!! without nutrients they cant lay their eggs.

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

Just remember , females need 2x as much more calcium than the males do. Their feeders are extremely important. Many reported that phoenix worms help cure calcium diffenciency! Just saying!! without nutrients they cant lay their eggs.

Yes I know, thank you though! I don't feed any of my chams mealworms, only my geckos get those. Even then only a few. Mealworms are useless IMO, just a treat. She's getting heavily dusted feeders along with feeders that are injected with liquid calcium. I use crickets, dubias, and supers. I'll have hornworms on Wednesday. I'll look into the Phoenix Worms as well.