Rate my cham list as a 13 year old

[theflex2.0]

https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/im-backkkkkkkkkkkkkk-and-i-need-helppppp.195556/ is the thread this came from.

This is the list I'm pondering. The video link for the plants is here. And these are the Chams I'm considering. My budget WAS 2k but because of rammageddon so here are the links to the chams. Which one should I pick? if you have any substutions; let me know
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/veiled-chameleons/3545077
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/panther-chameleons/3561317
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/panther-chameleons/3521461
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/panther-chameleons/3375427
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/veiled-chameleons/3465082
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/veiled-chameleons/3505016

 

[Beman]

I would personally never buy a cham from anyone other than a reputable and well known breeder. It is best to ensure that you are getting an extremely healthy animal. Vet bills for a sick one or one with parasites gets extremely expensive. And if I were you I would not start out with a female. These are more difficult and you can end up with reproductive health issues.

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[theflex2.0]

I would personally never buy a cham from anyone other than a reputable and well known breeder. It is best to ensure that you are getting an extremely healthy animal. Vet bills for a sick one or one with parasites gets extremely expensive. And if I were you I would not start out with a female. These are more difficult and you can end up with reproductive health issues.

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If you want a Veiled Framschams breeds them.

what's the cheapest one from a trusted breeder?

 

[MissSkittles]

I’m just curious why you aren’t interested in the kit from Neptune? It’s the easiest and cost effective way to get everything needed. But, if this is the way you prefer, I’ll give my feedback.
The enclosure is too small. The minimum is the ReptiBreeze XL size, which is 2’ wide and deep and 4’ tall. Please, please don’t put a chameleon in anything smaller than that.
There’s minimum size Fluker’s dome light is great. I probably have at least one or two of those.
The uvb light is not a good choice at all. Stick with either ZooMed’s ReptiSun T5 with a 5.0 bulb or Arcadia T5 with a 6% bulb. Anything else has not proven to be reliable in how much uvb they put out. I personally tested one of the better names of the off brands (ReptiZoo) and while the fixture is fine and still working well, the brand new uvb bulb had output worse than one of my Arcadia bulbs after being used for a full year. This is the only one I can find on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/DBDPet-Repti...21-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 There is one that is only 14” and that is too short.
The thermometer/hygrometers aren’t terrible, but you’d be better off with one that has a wired probe end to measure the temps exactly where your chameleon will be basking. I don’t know about the quality of these, but this is better than the one on your list. https://www.amazon.com/Thermometer-...-4-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
I have no idea about that misting system aside from what the reviews say. I personally would go with one that more closely resembles a Mist King, like this. https://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Hu...=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1 But, I am a total fan of Mist King, so have a biased view.
I’ve already given my opinion on the enclosure. If you’re wanting to keep everything from Amazon, that may be a problem as they currently have none of what you need. However, very often and around this time of year, the chain pet stores run fantastic sales on them. Although currently out of stock, keep an eye out as they will get more in. Great price! https://www.petsmart.com/reptile/ha...reeze-open-air-reptile-screen-cage-14983.html
Not as good of a price, but they do have some available now. https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petco...arge-reptibreeze-open-air-screen-cage-1348442 and here as well https://www.chewy.com/zoo-med-reptibreeze-reptile-cage/dp/344873
The sources you give for chameleons I have to be very skeptical of. First, any source from Florida is likely going to be a ‘farmed’ animal. Basically they have a wild population that they go out and gather from every now and then and sell them. They do not say “captive bred” and instead say “self produced”, which could mean anything really. You really want to go with a real breeder who has a solid reputation and will do more than just take your money. We see it here too often when people buy animals from random sources off the internet or expos. Someone like Frams or Reddy’s will,not just sell you a beautiful and healthy chameleon, but they provide a level of support and on the rare chance that there is a problem, they stand behind what they sell. They want you to have the enjoyment of one of their healthy animals. Yes, you’ll pay a bit more for the animal, but it is worth it in the long run. We see too much heartache here from trying to save a few $$.

 

[MissSkittles]

Fram’s has a couple of male veiled. https://framschams.com/collections/all-chameleons?page=2 You could always contact them and ask what else they may have in your price range. Sometimes breeders get ‘mystery’ pairings where they aren’t certain about locale purity and sell at a discounted price. Do stick with getting a male though. Females are challenging to start with. That’s what I did and it was rough.

 

[MissSkittles]

I just checked your plant link. Pothos is perhaps the very best for all chameleons. Besides being very easy to grow, it is safe and comes in several varieties. I find gorgeous big pothos plants at Lowe’s and Home Depot and sometimes even Walmart. Umbrella plants (schefflera) are one of my favorites as they can grow big and bushy with lots of leaf cover for your chameleon to hide beneath/get some shade and lots of branches to climb. Tradescantia Zebrina is a nice little splash of color and grows fast. I’ve been having a hard time finding any here in Florida, but if you can find a decently sized weeping fig tree (ficus benjamina) you’ll have a happy chameleon.
I don’t buy branches. I scavenge every time my neighbor’s trim back their oak trees and in the past have just driven around looking for appropriate downed trees (won the lottery once when I found a fallen sycamore). I gather more than I plan on needing and get a variety of thickness - from bigger around than a thumb to just thick enough to hold a chameleon. I do buy vines and Fluker’s makes a nice foamy one. https://www.amazon.com/Fluker-Labs-...606&sprefix=Fluker's+vin,aps,152&sr=8-44&th=1 The prices for these on Amazon is ridiculous! They used to be super inexpensive. Avoid the black Exo Terra vine and those which have moss on them.
No hammocks or anything like that are needed.

 

[theflex2.0]

I’m just curious why you aren’t interested in the kit from Neptune? It’s the easiest and cost effective way to get everything needed. But, if this is the way you prefer, I’ll give my feedback.
The enclosure is too small. The minimum is the ReptiBreeze XL size, which is 2’ wide and deep and 4’ tall. Please, please don’t put a chameleon in anything smaller than that.
There’s minimum size Fluker’s dome light is great. I probably have at least one or two of those.
The uvb light is not a good choice at all. Stick with either ZooMed’s ReptiSun T5 with a 5.0 bulb or Arcadia T5 with a 6% bulb. Anything else has not proven to be reliable in how much uvb they put out. I personally tested one of the better names of the off brands (ReptiZoo) and while the fixture is fine and still working well, the brand new uvb bulb had output worse than one of my Arcadia bulbs after being used for a full year. This is the only one I can find on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/DBDPet-Reptisun-Hood-UV-B-Bulb/dp/B08NMV6MPC/ref=sr_1_21_sspa?crid=1XIEX3AMDMK8O&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.pYumygF-1VlidCZ0UlXMNteBFN5vdsahN07GEUp3aBv7eMo6at2zuoGA7K3Jp4MgJjE144WDbP7gxVxSO8RG1zmtV2FDVchkj_y7dkIDsNpdpf70avVZgct6VYaG_LIWT_CNz4sfo8jnnTqjbz2uN-CpFb4S7vBjXoode5NyLdlRBy-scGsncmSIP1REYdmMc53sJR06BJxu57LaXk2FM3mjRkb_AD0pIFhk7Qgcyxkt93Rvk-ZncDlGGRwXs4bzbFOlxLaNa1dENWLDSZXRS2N2osi84jLz7DiooRlPV2o.6uo1nlmMPoFPUYXs0srUCz3iY0QCp4RpFI3z-X2P3QA&dib_tag=se&keywords=ReptiSun+t5+5.0&qid=1766085230&sprefix=reptisun+t5+5.0,aps,165&sr=8-21-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 There is one that is only 14” and that is too short.
The thermometer/hygrometers aren’t terrible, but you’d be better off with one that has a wired probe end to measure the temps exactly where your chameleon will be basking. I don’t know about the quality of these, but this is better than the one on your list. https://www.amazon.com/Thermometer-AikTryee-Fahrenheit-Terrarium-Refrigerator/dp/B08YP4S5KX/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?crid=3SZ379LMIURE2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FgcWe8y0evN-Va_u1EyPFGpX97uUJeAgw1cJQADJNfW8FQem3NzrEUUFeQlHOZNTuXFWtk1afDFp_uDcp1E0JruzpuHbD-eY-RCrpZhIaeezwaZK0zt1DcCHVbOOBKCKyR6chnvP0Q7P-VW2FZ1XGNjCWezQAfQqVLGliKrXUOvysYVU1CCE3UgzGs9eQcpLm0HqG9XbVPOTx7FbtO7PEeIzfIWG1DwRPpg79LmHeGa3aJTChQAnDQUiH05ZhbzdDjG4G-zdBT-xKnRHON6V8mb8XaJClBs0WSG9ArYarDU.u8DiPdd7aHJf08B8jyam5X9AlcTcyCsnq_G8_gPzqJA&dib_tag=se&keywords=reptile+thermometer+and+humidity+gauge+with+probe&qid=1766085502&sprefix=reptile+thermometer+and+hum,aps,143&sr=8-4-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
I have no idea about that misting system aside from what the reviews say. I personally would go with one that more closely resembles a Mist King, like this. https://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Humidifiers-Expandable-Terrarium-Programmable/dp/B0C9QHB23K/ref=sxin_17_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5:amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&crid=4S3M6JQ73VB1&cv_ct_cx=fenocran+automatic+reptile+mister+system&keywords=fenocran+automatic+reptile+mister+system&pd_rd_i=B0C9QHB23K&pd_rd_r=3ac758c6-44dc-4c94-9361-10efa61cfbde&pd_rd_w=NX82f&pd_rd_wg=3zbwf&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=PXCB81QJB515F4CDVM8V&qid=1766085872&sbo=RZvfv//HxDF+O5021pAnSA==&sprefix=Fenocran,aps,136&sr=1-3-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=T3LkdF2iOQ&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1 But, I am a total fan of Mist King, so have a biased view.
I’ve already given my opinion on the enclosure. If you’re wanting to keep everything from Amazon, that may be a problem as they currently have none of what you need. However, very often and around this time of year, the chain pet stores run fantastic sales on them. Although currently out of stock, keep an eye out as they will get more in. Great price! https://www.petsmart.com/reptile/ha...reeze-open-air-reptile-screen-cage-14983.html
Not as good of a price, but they do have some available now. https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petco...arge-reptibreeze-open-air-screen-cage-1348442 and here as well https://www.chewy.com/zoo-med-reptibreeze-reptile-cage/dp/344873
The sources you give for chameleons I have to be very skeptical of. First, any source from Florida is likely going to be a ‘farmed’ animal. Basically they have a wild population that they go out and gather from every now and then and sell them. They do not say “captive bred” and instead say “self produced”, which could mean anything really. You really want to go with a real breeder who has a solid reputation and will do more than just take your money. We see it here too often when people buy animals from random sources off the internet or expos. Someone like Frams or Reddy’s will,not just sell you a beautiful and healthy chameleon, but they provide a level of support and on the rare chance that there is a problem, they stand behind what they sell. They want you to have the enjoyment of one of their healthy animals. Yes, you’ll pay a bit more for the animal, but it is worth it in the long run. We see too much heartache here from trying to save a few $$.

Fram’s has a couple of male veiled. https://framschams.com/collections/all-chameleons?page=2 You could always contact them and ask what else they may have in your price range. Sometimes breeders get ‘mystery’ pairings where they aren’t certain about locale purity and sell at a discounted price. Do stick with getting a male though. Females are challenging to start with. That’s what I did and it was rough.

TYSM!!!!!

 

[courtschams]

Fram’s has a couple of male veiled. https://framschams.com/collections/all-chameleons?page=2 You could always contact them and ask what else they may have in your price range. Sometimes breeders get ‘mystery’ pairings where they aren’t certain about locale purity and sell at a discounted price. Do stick with getting a male though. Females are challenging to start with. That’s what I did and it was rough.

I would second that Frams is the best “bang for your buck” high quality chameleons and exemplary customer service. They will help you with anything you need on your Cham journey’

 

[theflex2.0]

I would second that Frams is the best “bang for your buck” high quality chameleons and exemplary customer service. They will help you with anything you need on your Cham journey’

I'ma just get a leopard gecko atp

 

[MissSkittles]

I'ma just get a leopard gecko atp

Ok. Well, when you feel you want to get a chameleon, come on back. Although, you could post about your leopard gecko and share pics when you get him/her in this section. https://www.chameleonforums.com/forums/other-reptiles-and-pets.38/

 

[kinyonga]

I'ma just get a leopard gecko atp

Leopard geckos are awesome pets and can easily live to be 20 years old with proper husbandry.