Possible MBD? (quite a few pics)

[gary1621]

Evening everyone, I thought i would start a new thread here after some concerns which were raised yesterday
Here is a link to the thread https://www.chameleonforums.com/peanut-25631/

I thought i would start by giving you some information and then follow up with some pics

Peanut is roughly 13 weeks old.

We got her on the 12th of last month for my dads birthday. She came from a reptile shop (who fired the manager for dodgy dealings) Im not sure what their suppliment routine was like at all, i only ever saw them put the food in a couple of times, although visited them for a long while.

She has an Zoo Med Repti Sun 18" strip 5.0 UVB bulb, admittedly the suppliments we were giving her were not right. That has been corrected we now have the correct calcium for daily and the nutrobal for once a week. I wish these shops would give you the correct care information, i mean if you are willing to spend all this out on the animals and their set up a few more pound for the correct suppliments is nothing!! grrrr
She doesnt like cup feeding and will only take the worms, so i am dusting down the roaming locust the best as possible and continuing to dust the worms in the cup.

This is a first snap taken just under a two weeks ago

And another

This an image that caused the concern yesterday

I tried to take a few more today, and catch her in different angles without stressing her out. I shouldnt have worried she was very content.

Showing off her lovely zipper

For the time being i am going to use this for Peanut while she is out in the garden. I made it for my Mantis, who has passed on now, they dont live too long
Its been cleaned out completely. The branches are new and the fiscus is Peanuts. They have not been used by any other animal or bug.
I will get to work with my dad to make a larger version for when she grows.

Thank you for having a look and all your input, i really do want her to be happy and healthy

Gary and Peanut

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Thank you for having a look and all your input, i really dont want her to be happy and healthy

Gary and Peanut

Lol i hope thats a type, but yeah it seems like beginning stages of mbd change her uvb bulb if itsold and get her on more supliments asap to avoid massive complications

 

[gary1621]

It really was!

The UVB bulb was new on the 12th of May this year

 

[Sancho]

Looks to be just skinny to me not MBD but I'm no vet.

 

[Miss Lily]

Looks to be just skinny to me not MBD but I'm no vet.

Looks like she's getting a bit of muscle on those skinny legs! They do go through a gangly stage though, where their legs look too long and skinny for their bodies! The legs look fine in all but that one photo - possibly the way the leg is positioned and the camera angle not helping! She certainly looks very happy and bright green (which is a good sign)!

 

[Syn]

Sancho, look at the left forearm, this is where the concern is.

Is looks a little bent, or possibly it's just a muscle that is oddly shaped.

Light catches things quite oddly.

 

[Dunnigan]

That one pic did look like MBD but it could have just been the angle. Feed her as much as she will eat with properly dusted/supplemented insects and everything should be good.

I know this was said before, but natural sunlight works wonders on these guys.

 

[laurie]

Sancho, look at the left forearm, this is where the concern is.

Is looks a little bent, or possibly it's just a muscle that is oddly shaped.

Light catches things quite oddly.

Syn I agree that is the only possible problem that I saw.
Again I am not a vet but if that is MBD just make sure she has plenty of the correct supplements and lots of sunshine and keep a close eye on her. I think those steps will correct any possible issues, but do watch her and verify for yourself that she looks ok. Best of luck, I think both of you will be fine.

 

[warpdrive]

I agree with Sancho and Laurie...
if anything, Peanut looks quite good, but maybe a drop skinny.
I don't see any signs of MBD, but like others have said, I'm not a vet.

by just using your new reptisun 5.0 bulb, the new suplements you've goten, and some natural sunlight...I'll bet you'll stop any posable MBD from becoming problematic.

at this stage I would not worrie. just try to fatten up peanut if you can, and enjoy.

Harry

 

[dodolah]

I beg to differ.
There are 2 shots that made me suspect that Peanuts indeed has some problem.
Not yet to the advanced stage, but i think it is ground enough to consider having her checked for bone density.
take another pic of her Left arm and Left leg (her actual left. not from your point of view of left).

I notice slight curve there.
I think it is good that you catch it early.
Have you do a health check of her lately?
Now might be a good idea.
As far as weight goes, she looked fine for her age.
Try not to feed her obsessively. She does not need to be fat. Overweight female can lay huge clutches later in life. It could prove to be quite dangerous for her.

 

[AJA]

Trying to learn as well here, so please bear with me. The photo of her "zipper" look at her left leg and there is that bump again. My questions are....

1. Would MBD only affect a certain area?
2. How can you tell MBD from a break? Could she have broken her wrist there?

 

[dodolah]

Chameleon is pretty strong in handling a fall. But sometimes things happened and they might break their legs.
But, when chameleon fall, I normally question why he fall to begin with.

Healthy chameleon should have a very strong grip. and their body is designed to withstand such trauma. So, when they fall normally they get pissed and start climbing again.
So, normally, a healthy chameleon's legs are pretty sturdy.

Question things, such as:
Does he fall accidentally (because he is being clumsy or trying to avoid something).. or Does he fall because he cannot support his own body weight?
Did he trembles excessively when climbing?
The latter one can be an indication of MBD.
MBD eats away his bone to a point where any fall can easily break his legs.

Here is a sample of what it may looked like in advanced stage:
http://chamworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/health-section-b-metabolic-bone.html