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Veiled chameleon, male, 5-6 months. I've had him about 3 months.
Handling - once a week at most
Feeding - Medium to Small Crickets, 10-12 every day. Dusted with D3 once a week. Fed with Flukers calcium feed (brown granules) and gut loaded with variety of fruits and veggies. Apples, Pears, Zucchini, Kale, Mustard Greens, and Sweet Potato. Also supplied Flukers Water substitute (yellow gelatin)
Watering - misting system. Every 2 hours for 20 sec.
Fecal Description - pee is solid white and poop is dark brown almost black. Sometimes contains yellowish mucous in it.
History - Before I had the misting system I had problems with getting him hydrated and have adjusted his cage more.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Screen all around. 24 x 24 x 48
Lighting - 60 watt heat bulb, reptisun 10.0 Fluorescent UVB bulb. 12 hour sleep cycle.
Temperature - 71 to 76F daytime, about 64 to 68 at night. (Hiding spot to basking spot).
Humidity - levels vary. Stays within 46% to 72%
Plants - no live plants. Working on putting golden Pothos in when I can find a way to hang some.
Placement - In the corner of the room away from high traffic areas. Base of enclosure is about 3 feet above ground on stand.
Location - Northeast Arkansas
 

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Just noticed today though that the tip of his casque on his head is bent. Is this normal sometimes? Anybody see any concerning things with him? His face is also been a little blueish/whiteish. Like its kinda pale maybe? But it's hard to tell if it's discolored or just a pigmentation he's adopted. Thoughts, friends?
I also recently started feeding him dubia roaches about once or twice a week with crickets. I just drop 2 or 3 in his bowl with his crickets.
 
Veiled chameleon, male, 5-6 months. I've had him about 3 months.
Handling - once a week at most
Feeding - Medium to Small Crickets, 10-12 every day. Dusted with D3 once a week. Fed with Flukers calcium feed (brown granules) and gut loaded with variety of fruits and veggies. Apples, Pears, Zucchini, Kale, Mustard Greens, and Sweet Potato. Also supplied Flukers Water substitute (yellow gelatin)
Watering - misting system. Every 2 hours for 20 sec.
Fecal Description - pee is solid white and poop is dark brown almost black. Sometimes contains yellowish mucous in it.
History - Before I had the misting system I had problems with getting him hydrated and have adjusted his cage more.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Screen all around. 24 x 24 x 48
Lighting - 60 watt heat bulb, reptisun 10.0 Fluorescent UVB bulb. 12 hour sleep cycle.
Temperature - 71 to 76F daytime, about 64 to 68 at night. (Hiding spot to basking spot).
Humidity - levels vary. Stays within 46% to 72%
Plants - no live plants. Working on putting golden Pothos in when I can find a way to hang some.
Placement - In the corner of the room away from high traffic areas. Base of enclosure is about 3 feet above ground on stand.
Location - Northeast Arkansas
You don’t say anything about calcium dusting. What Is your entire supplement regime.
 
You don’t say anything about calcium dusting. What Is your entire supplement regime.
I had read that some people were trying to stick to a more natural approach for them receiving calcium and their supplements by gut loading. I've listed all the veggies and fruits that I gut load with and most of the form above. But other than that, I only dust his crickets once a week. I had started dusting way too much in the early weeks that I had him and so I brought his dusting down gradually instead of just stopping all together. He's down to once a week. Is that too much still? He's fallen a couple times as well in his enclosure. I was putting my shoes up once at night and I think it scared him and he dropped. But he climbed right back up and seemed fine. He DIDNT have any fractures or his casque wasn't bent then or anything though.
 
I'm not sure gut loading alone will get enough calcium in the feeders, especially to offset the phosphorus in common feeder bugs, except for maybe BSFL. Maybe switch to repashy calcium plus LoD to lower the D3 intake, and increase your plain calcium supplementation. I personally dust with plain calcium for 3-4 days a week, and once a week I do the repashy calcium plus LoD, sometimes I add regular calcium to it (I only feed 4 days a week, sometimes 5).

I had a problem with my boy last year where I noticed he was kind of dragging his back legs and not always grabbing with them. I took him to the vet, actually 2 vets, and they found his calcium to phosphorus ratio was around 1:1 which can cause neurological issues, which was most likely the cause of his back leg issue. I completely eliminated superworms, which are insanely high in phosphorus and hard to dust with supplements, and got him on a much better diet. The vet said his bones felt completely fine which was a relief. 6 months later he is back to normal.

Above you have 71 to 76F for the temperature, is this basking or ambient? Low cage temps can impact digestion.
 
I'm not sure gut loading alone will get enough calcium in the feeders, especially to offset the phosphorus in common feeder bugs, except for maybe BSFL. Maybe switch to repashy calcium plus LoD to lower the D3 intake, and increase your plain calcium supplementation. I personally dust with plain calcium for 3-4 days a week, and once a week I do the repashy calcium plus LoD, sometimes I add regular calcium to it (I only feed 4 days a week, sometimes 5).

I had a problem with my boy last year where I noticed he was kind of dragging his back legs and not always grabbing with them. I took him to the vet, actually 2 vets, and they found his calcium to phosphorus ratio was around 1:1 which can cause neurological issues, which was most likely the cause of his back leg issue. I completely eliminated superworms, which are insanely high in phosphorus and hard to dust with supplements, and got him on a much better diet. The vet said his bones felt completely fine which was a relief. 6 months later he is back to normal.

Above you have 71 to 76F for the temperature, is this basking or ambient? Low cage temps can impact digestion.
Thanks! I'll buy some more supplements and adjust his feeding schedule. You think adding regular calcium to the repashy once a month would be too much?
 
Regarding the bent casque...does he ever sit tight against the lid of the cage?
He loves climbing to the very top of his cage where his basking light is and sits on the top of the bamboo stick a lot. Not all the time but a lot. I haven't really noticed if he sticks his head to the cage. Here recently I've just caught him moving to the top branch to stretch out and lay down. He seems to really enjoy that. But at the top of the bamboo stick in the morning to get warm is the only time I've ever seen him where he could be pressing himself against it.
 
I personally think it's safe to dust with calcium every day, just don't do it to the point where it's caked onto every feeder. Regarding adding calcium to the repashy plus LoD..this is just what I do, who know's if it's the perfect mix but I have a fear about low calcium due to the issue I had last year, most likely caused by feeding superworms too often. Some use repashy calcium plus LoD with every feeding, without adding calcium like I do, and have success.

I recommend this calcium, it is a very fine powder that sticks to everything, and has no D3.
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