Possible bite?? + Morio worm concern

Vlmc

New Member
1 and a half year old red bar male panther.

A month or two ago I saw a tiny spot by his bum, not thinking anything of it. Recently it's gotten a lot bigger and I don't know what it is. I asked my uncle (used to also have a panther cham) and he said it was a locust bite, it hasn't gone down at all, if anything is getting bigger. Ive done some research and couldn't find anything that looks like it.

--SEPARATE CONCERN--
2-3 days ago I bought Tango a tub of morio worms (recommended from the shop) to change up his diet, have been gutloading them well and fed them as normal along with a few locusts. Tango has gotten very dehydrated, which I can tell by his eyes, they've gone in his head quite a bit. Today he's been slow, hasn't moved much and hasn't wanted to eat too. This morning I saw a clutch of 4 morio worms in a sticky gunk, I presume he just popped them out but they were completely whole, not chewed up, though when I see him eat he chews very well. Calcium is given well and the locusts are dusted with it every 2-3 days. He has literally just shedded. Am going to stop feeding him these while I get answers.
 

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Lennoncham

Chameleon Enthusiast
Are you talking about the thing sticking out of his vent? That could be a sperm plug but it’s hard to tell from the pic.

Not sure about the other concern but what is your supplement schedule? You only said calcium every 2-3 days. Do you use a multivitamin and d3 at all?
 

Saleem

New Member
In my opinion, if you get doo much d3 the digestive organs could start to solidify/calciumify, I've seen it happen and the animal couldn't digest any food, it was a bearded dragon but since they are both lizard species I would guess they have the same kind of problem, but that's only if its being fed with d3 otherwise, Idk.
 

Vlmc

New Member
Are you talking about the thing sticking out of his vent? That could be a sperm plug but it’s hard to tell from the pic.

Not sure about the other concern but what is your supplement schedule? You only said calcium every 2-3 days. Do you use a multivitamin and d3 at all?
Sorry, I forgot to mention multivitamins and stuff too. The calcium we give him is a big tub mixed with multivitamins 'a calcium balancer and multivitamin'.

Today I checked him as soon as I woke up and he was absolutely fine, eyes were out, he's eating and his colours look fine too. Googled chameleon sperm plug and that looks like it's what it is. I'm going to leave it alone though and leave it another week or so, because I don't know what to do with plugs.
 

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Vlmc

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In my opinion, if you get doo much d3 the digestive organs could start to solidify/calciumify, I've seen it happen and the animal couldn't digest any food, it was a bearded dragon but since they are both lizard species I would guess they have the same kind of problem, but that's only if its being fed with d3 otherwise, Idk.
The calcium/multivitamin has no d3 in it, should I buy some? He's looking absolutely fine today as you can see from what I replied to my other response.
 

AnamCara

Avid Member
Unless he lives in an outdoor enclosure he will need d3 supplemented in his diet..

Could you fill this out? As detailed as possible. This way the forum can go over some specifics and get him as healthy as possible. Lots of keepers here switch all supplements to Repashy Calcium Plus LoD. It has small amounts of d and other vitamins as well as calcium.

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Brodybreaux25

Chameleon Enthusiast
In my opinion, if you get doo much d3 the digestive organs could start to solidify/calciumify, I've seen it happen and the animal couldn't digest any food, it was a bearded dragon but since they are both lizard species I would guess they have the same kind of problem, but that's only if its being fed with d3 otherwise, Idk.
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Vlmc

New Member
1 and a half year old red bar male panther.

A month or two ago I saw a tiny spot by his bum, not thinking anything of it. Recently it's gotten a lot bigger and I don't know what it is. I asked my uncle (used to also have a panther cham) and he said it was a locust bite, it hasn't gone down at all, if anything is getting bigger. Ive done some research and couldn't find anything that looks like it.

--SEPARATE CONCERN--
2-3 days ago I bought Tango a tub of morio worms (recommended from the shop) to change up his diet, have been gutloading them well and fed them as normal along with a few locusts. Tango has gotten very dehydrated, which I can tell by his eyes, they've gone in his head quite a bit. Today he's been slow, hasn't moved much and hasn't wanted to eat too. This morning I saw a clutch of 4 morio worms in a sticky gunk, I presume he just popped them out but they were completely whole, not chewed up, though when I see him eat he chews very well. Calcium is given well and the locusts are dusted with it every 2-3 days. He has literally just shedded. Am going to stop feeding him these while I get answers.
Thank you all for all of the very helpful information, I really appreciate it.
 

kinyonga

Chameleon Enthusiast
Be careful...you don't want to latch onto the hemipene and pull it out thinking its a sperm plug.

Concerning supplements...a chameleon needs a balance of phosphorous, calcium, vitamin D3 and vitamin A..

Since there is lots of phos found in its diet we use a phos free calcium powder dusted on the insects lightly just before feeding them to the chameleon at most feedings. Since the chameleon needs D3 to be able to use the calcium in its system, and D3 from supplements can build up in the system causing health issues we dust twice a month lightly with a phos free calcium/D3 powder and leave the chameleon to produce the rest of the D3 from its exposure to the UVB light we provide for it. Vitamin A also builds up in the system IF ITS FROM A PREFORMED SOURCE so we dust twice a month lightly with a vitamin powder that has a beta carotene (preformed) source of vitamin A . This leaves it up to us to decide whether the chameleon needs some preformed vitamin A or not. Vitamin D3 and vitamin A are antagonistic to each other so they need to be in balance.

I hope this helps.
 
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