Poss URI in ambilobe.. help pls

[CleanLineChameleons]

Brian, the gular edema is cause by vitamins, it has nothing to do with a URI. The reason it went down is because natural sunlight helps immensely with metabolism. Without it your chameleon had a buildup of certain vitamin and minerals which shown as gular edema.

-chris

 

[Brian]

Brian, he's right next to the window but the windows are closed? All the time?

I have another cham, a veiled, in the same spot next to my ambilobes cage so she gets the same thing sun exposure & everything. She doesn't have URI so this is puzzling me.

My ambilobe is the only one with it & the only difference bet the veiled and the ambilobe is the humidifier. My veileds don't get "humidified".

I leave it open In the day from 7 when the light come on until 7:30 even though the lights turn of at 7:00 . Even if its summer I noticed their is still quite a bit of draft. In the meantime during that 30 min I turn on a fan (on low) to bring some fresh air in their then I turn it off. The reason I do it at nigh is because I dont want them to get scared. I just started doing this a few days ago though.

Brian

 

[mika]

Mika,

You said you got this Cham 8 days ago? I know most breeders offer a 10 day health guarantee... I know it sucks... But if I were in your situation I would definately look into that. Good luck.

~Joe

Hey Joe,

You know what's funny?

The health guarantee on him is only 5 days. Today is the 8th..LOL


This sucks.. but it's funny..

I should've known he wasn't yawning. I've never seen my other chams yawn. LOL

 

[SoCaliSon]

Heh, Well... I think it would still be worth mentioning to the dealer. You never know...They may work with you.

 

[Brian]

Brian, the gular edema is cause by vitamins, it has nothing to do with a URI. The reason it went down is because natural sunlight helps immensely with metabolism. Without it your chameleon had a buildup of certain vitamin and minerals which shown as gular edema.

-chris

Chris, for the edema theirs nothing else I should do since It's already gotten smaller?

 

[mika]

Heh, Well... I think it would still be worth mentioning to the dealer. You never know...They may work with you.

Yeah, I emailed him but too late though. Maybe I'll get a response tomorrow. I also asked for his advice but I think he's sleeping since he's in florida so I asked here.

I'm hoping to get an appt tomorrow so I can bring him after work.

Dr. Greek is FAR! These chams are sensitive..LOL..

They get treated better than me

 

[mika]

You shouldn't see the leaves of your plants within the cage moving. Basically, a URI is like us getting a cold or soar throat in the way that if sometimes when you sleep if their is no circulation the air sits and you get clogged up, sometimes if the air is moving a lot your throat gets dry. So, you have to find the happy medium. I monitor my humidity constantly and it is normally right around 55% with moderate air flow. I live in NC and I never leave the windows or doors open at night because here in the south we have a huge problem with pollen and I think that too can irritate your chams respiratory system.

-chris

Ok, I'll mist like 5 mins 3x a day, close the windows at night, more air circulation in the living room and if I do get an apt with Dr. Greek I'll suggest Fortaz. I'm not too comfortable with Baytril. I've read horror stories.

Wouldn't the cham dehydrate though if I mist for only 5 mins?
I thought it takes at least 15 mins for them to start drinking?

 

[Brian]

Yeah, I emailed him but too late though. Maybe I'll get a response tomorrow. I also asked for his advice but I think he's sleeping since he's in florida so I asked here.

I'm hoping to get an appt tomorrow so I can bring him after work.

Dr. Greek is FAR! These chams are sensitive..LOL..

They get treated better than me

Yeah...Dr.Greek is cool, he'll tell you whats wrong with your cham.

Brian

 

[mika]

Yeah...Dr.Greek is cool, he'll tell you whats wrong with your cham.

Brian

Have you seen him yet? For the gular edema? How much did it cost if you don't mind me asking?

I wanna get ready for the damage

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

No not at all, if it is subsiding keep giving him natural sunlight. There is nothing better than natural sunlight to help edema. If there is ever a time that you cannot give him as much natural sunlight for a period of time I would just cut down the gutload or supps just slightly. And as far as misting, I have been very successful bringing back very dehydrated chameleons by only misting them 3 times a day for 7 minutes at a time. But for chams with URIs you must keep them dryer or the infection will worsen, that is why I was saying just get the leaves and everything wet twice a day (so like 2 minutes twice a day until they stop gasping and there is no bubbly saliva in the back of their throats).

-chris

 

[mika]

Thanks Chris for the wonderful help you've given. I'll definitely try it out!

I'm gonna go bed.. gotta wake up at 5 am. I really appreciate your help!

Thanks bunches

 

[Brian]

Have you seen him yet? For the gular edema? How much did it cost if you don't mind me asking?

I wanna get ready for the damage

Is this your first visit? If it is you go online to this site a you could get a free checkup you just have to print out the coupon. You just have to pay for the meds. I dont remember the website so ask the lady when you make the appointment she was the one who told me about it. When he was done,the lady in the front desk rung me up and it came up to almost $90 with meds I think the checkup is normally 60 something.
I didnt go for the edema because it started getting smaller, I went for the same cham but'it was for some eye problems.

Brian

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

No prob...let us know what the vet says. Oh and most the time it will be around $60 bucks for the visit and who knows on the drugs. Be prepared for $150 give or take $50.

-chris

 

[Brian]

Thanks Chris!! Im getting a mist king soon so I'll go ahead and try that scedule. Yeah...the cham that has the edema has been outside for a few day now because it's only been in the low 80's.

Brian

 

[Brian]

One more thing chris before I go to bed. Do you think its ok that Ive been turning on the fan (on low) for 30 minutes at night? Should I keep on doing it? I noticed it gets stuffy in there.

Brian

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

It should be ok, in one of my chameleon rooms I have two small fans on at all day but not facing directly at any cage and in the other I have one small fan on at all times (day and night) and none have a problem at all. I have had this setup for a couple years now and knock on wood but I have only had to deal with very few URIs. If there is a problem with draft, you may see it in their eyes as having a glaze before anything else The biggest problem I have seen with many keepers is that they concentrate so hard on getting the humidity up they forget that the air cannot sit and stagnate. But yea Brian, the fan shouldn't bother them.

-chris

 

[Chameleonator]

One of the culprits here is a chill/draft.

Factors to think about:
1. Basking area can get up to 90/95 at times.
2. Misting and humidifier
3. Next to an open window
4. Average temps. for Canoga Park

The ambient air is being effected and causing drastic temperature changes. I am assuming the humidifier is the one that needs cool (not hot) water. If that is the case, then your chameleon is not only getting the humidity it needs, but it is also cooling him down and keeping him moist. Now factor the window being left open. Your area has been averaging high 70's to low 80's during the day. That's at least 10 degrees cooler than your cham's basking area. By having your window open (especially with a cooler breeze), it's going to leave a chill on your cham (for humans... no different from leaving the bathroom after taking a hot shower and being hit by that wall of hair raising cool air).

Better solution is to leave a small crack in the window and buy yourself one of those new fans which changes speed to mimic the wind. The difference here is your able to control the ambient air in the room.

Wish you the best for your panther!!!

~emil

 

[mika]

Just came from Dr. Greek. Took me 1 1/2 hrs to get there. After 4 1/2 hrs I'm back home.

Here's what he said:

Chams can get it overnight just like if a human being feels ill all of a sudden.

When I brought him in he didn't have any mucus in his mouth anymore but he was still opening & closing it.

He thinks the cham was just stressed from the travel, new enclosure & everything is new to him such as being around people that he got URI.

He said the cham is feisty which is good, there's no mucus in his trachea (?). Everything looks good in the mouth. The hyoid bone is strong or whatever bone it is that they have in their mouths.

BUT he also said with a cham, it can look good & eat good but die the next day. This is the risk with these lizards. Hmmm..

He called it an "advanced lizard".

He said "if I wanted to" we can give him Baytril & he recommends it because it treats a whole host of things.

I asked about Fortaz because I"ve heard horror stories about Baytril and he said Fortaz only comes in injectables.

He also has worms which he gave me panacur for. I think they were roundworms. Sorry I'm tired when I went there..LOL..
He also said these were normal.

He said each cham is an "individual" that has different needs. What might work for some may not work for others. He said I have to find what works with my cham.

I also told him about the open window, humidifier and misting.

So I told him I was thinking of giving the cham the baytril if I see the mucus again which he thinks would be fine too.

I'm thinking of working out the husbandry first to see if that can cure the ailment before I give him meds.

What do you think? Should I dose him or fix the husbandry & wait?


PS

It was $93 & some change for a fecal, 2 meds & me seeing him. Pretty reasonable I think.. I was budgeting for $200

 

[Brian]

Hi mika,

Thats not bad at all they told me it was $30 just for the fecal test. I spent 90 some dollars also but I didn't get a fecal test.

Brian

 

[mika]

I know I was stoked! I thought they forgot to charge me for the Baytril & Panacur..LOL..

I was expecting it to be 200 buckaroos. Glad it wasn't!

That was a long drive though.. Stuck in traffic..