Pooping eggs

[Gemeleon dude]

Hello, so my cham has pooped out 2 eggs instead of laying them, I’ve had her lay bin in her cage for months and this is the first time I’ve ever seen her do this? She’s almost 4 years old is this why?

 

[MissSkittles]

Can you post some pics of her current enclosure set up and her please?

 

[Gemeleon dude]

 

[Gemeleon dude]

This is the same cage set up now but it’s an older photo of her

 

[kinyonga]

How many times has she laid eggs and how many eggs were in each clutch? When is the last time she laid eggs?

Has the lay bin always been without any foliage tomsort of hide it? Has anything changed in what you are feeding her or the supplements?

 

[MissSkittles]

Here’s my blog on laying. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/veiled-chameleon-laying-101.2488/ The information is applicable for panther girls too. Her lay bin looks a bit too small…they do like space to choose just the right spot in the bin. I feel that at least a 12x12” is minimum size for a bin. While height isn’t as important, higher sides will make her feel safer. You only want about 5-6” deep of sand. Then, when they are coming down from their trees to lay their eggs, they are at their most vulnerable. It’s essential for us to provide them with privacy so that they feel safe. If they see us or anything else, they will not lay their eggs and can become egg bound. I hang a light sheet over the bottom half of the enclosure…keeps plenty of ventilation, gives her the privacy she needs and I can always see her when she is done and returns to basking. I poke little holes in the sheet to monitor her progress. I fear that if you don’t provide her with a larger bin and absolute privacy asap, she is going to become egg bound (assuming she isn’t already). Time is of the essence here. If you can make the changes tonight while she sleeps, it’s all the better and she can wake up, find her needs are met and get to digging.

 

[Gemeleon dude]

Here’s my blog on laying. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/veiled-chameleon-laying-101.2488/ The information is applicable for panther girls too. Her lay bin looks a bit too small…they do like space to choose just the right spot in the bin. I feel that at least a 12x12” is minimum size for a bin. While height isn’t as important, higher sides will make her feel safer. You only want about 5-6” deep of sand. Then, when they are coming down from their trees to lay their eggs, they are at their most vulnerable. It’s essential for us to provide them with privacy so that they feel safe. If they see us or anything else, they will not lay their eggs and can become egg bound. I hang a light sheet over the bottom half of the enclosure…keeps plenty of ventilation, gives her the privacy she needs and I can always see her when she is done and returns to basking. I poke little holes in the sheet to monitor her progress. I fear that if you don’t provide her with a larger bin and absolute privacy asap, she is going to become egg bound (assuming she isn’t already). Time is of the essence here. If you can make the changes tonight while she sleeps, it’s all the better and she can wake up, find her needs are met and get to digging.

She’s laid many clutches and and the last clutch she laid was in June she said I think 20ish eggs, I’ve had the same lay bin for her over the course of 4 years I’ve had her and she’s never had a problem with laying her eggs in it, no changes in her feeding or supplements either, so confused why she’s pooping them out, she’s been crawling in the sand and been watching over the bin so I’ve been expecting her too lay soon

 

[Gemeleon dude]

She’s laid many clutches and and the last clutch she laid was in June she said I think 20ish eggs, I’ve had the same lay bin for her over the course of 4 years I’ve had her and she’s never had a problem with laying her eggs in it, no changes in her feeding or supplements either, so confused why she’s pooping them out, she’s been crawling in the sand and been watching over the bin so I’ve been expecting her too lay soon

She’s also very friendly and not scared of ppl, every time I feed she tries too crawl out on my head and crawl on me, I’ve never had too cover her up too lay her eggs she just does it, also I’m not home during the day so she gets plenty of privacy too lay

 

[MissSkittles]

If she hasn’t minded the lay bin, then I won’t mind it. It still wouldn’t hurt any to give her some cover for privacy though. I have to suggest a vet visit too. If heaven forbid she is having a problem laying her eggs, it would be best to address it before she becomes weakened.

 

[Gemeleon dude]

If she hasn’t minded the lay bin, then I won’t mind it. It still wouldn’t hurt any to give her some cover for privacy though. I have to suggest a vet visit too. If heaven forbid she is having a problem laying her eggs, it would be best to address it before she becomes weakened.

Right, I got home today before her lights went out and she ran right up too my and crawled all over her feeder, even this morning she was crawling all over the cage so that’s why I’m so confused Caz she seems healthy

 

[Gemeleon dude]

Right, I got home today before her lights went out and she ran right up too my and crawled all over her feeder, even this morning she was crawling all over the cage so that’s why I’m so confused Caz she seems healthy

And if she was egg bound wouldn’t she be retaining the eggs?

 

[Gemeleon dude]

 

[Gemeleon dude]

Here’s the photos I took of her when I got home

 

[MissSkittles]

When looking for a place to lay that they like, they can be very restless and all over the place. My girl Stella showed me just how particular they can be. When I switched her to bioactive, I assumed that she would see the entire substrate ‘ground’ as suitable for laying her eggs. She did not though. She spent a week digging in her potted hanging plants, her foam faux background, various spots of the substrate. She didn’t seem to stop moving. Then I gave her an all sand lay bin (shoe box sized). She tried it and then tried everything else again. By the end of the week I was desperate for her to lay her eggs so I put her old giant lay bin in and the next morning she got down to business in it.
While it is good that some of her eggs are passing, the problem is being able to determine if any are retained or not. It isn’t normal for them to be dropping eggs here and there and is usually a sign of a problem somewhere. @kinyonga has much more experience than I do and is one of those whom I’ve learned what I know from.