Please give advice to a new owner!

sassyboots

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Hi, Just joined the group. I have a veiled cham, first reptile i've ever owned. Got him when he just just about 6 weeks old and maybe only a couple inches big (tail not included). I've had him for approxamatly 5 months now, and he's grown about an inch. I think that he is doing fine but still have some questions just to make sure that he is indeed doing well.
He is in a 10 gallon tank, I was given the info that it's ok when they are small-I'm getting ready to move him into a screened in enclosure. He has a regular 60 watt bulb for basking and a flourescent uvb light. His lights are timed for a twelve hour cycle. I spray the tank three times a day with water and he eats crickets daily.
Now for my concerns:
1. He always seems hungry. He is always pointed down in his tree- looking around for food. He gets about 5-7 small dusted crickets daily, and eats them in about 5 seconds. Will he over eat? Should i give him more or less? How do i know he's has enough to eat?
2. I rarely see him drink. I know he has to drink moving water, but this doesn't seem sufficient.
3. When i first got him he was a light green color and would change to the darker greens and almost brown blacks when i would come to the tank and see him, These days he has been mostly brown. He has developed patterns on him (actually in the shape of a number five on one side of his body) But doesn't really change ranges of colors anymore. The only time i see him in the nice pale green is when the lights are off and he's sleeping. Is this normal?
4. His behavior has gotten weird. I've caught him walking on the floor of his cage, scratching at the side of the tank, and hanging from the screen top. When he sees me, he retreats to his tree and acts as if he hasn't been doing anything.
5. He seems skinny. He's not "thick" I 've seen him shed only three times and i thought he would be bigger then this.
So anyway, This is the first time i have owned a reptile, Perhaps everything he does is normal, perhaps he needs more then what i am doing. I would like to provide him with the best care i can, i think he's totally cool and i would hate it if i was providing inadequate care for him.

Kat
 
okay, welcome to the forums. first of for a six month chameleon you need a much bigger SCREEN cage, it was ok when he was only 6 weeks but not now, now

1. hes still growing, you should have probably larger sized crickets, and he should eat a little more than that

2. Try warming up some water and misting for a long time, are his urates (white part of poop) orangish? are his eyes sunken?

3. It depends, sometimes it is normal others its from stress, and veilds arent really that social

4. Thats because he needs a bigger cage, and hes running away because he thinks your a predator

5. He may be undersized from living conditions of not enough food, veilds "suck in" sometimes but not all the time, babies need to eat alot.
 
Thanks, I think he looks too small to eat the large crickets, they are bigger then his head is wide, but i will give him more of the smaller ones and get him out of the tank and into a screened in enclosure ASAP. His eyes don't look sunken but his urates do have a slight orangey white color. Does that mean more water?
 
ok then, stick to a larger quantity of small, and yes the urates should be plain white, if they have yellow or orange in them then he needs more water.
 
1. He always seems hungry. He is always pointed down in his tree- looking around for food. He gets about 5-7 small dusted crickets daily, and eats them in about 5 seconds. Will he over eat? Should i give him more or less? How do i know he's has enough to eat?

let him eat as much as he wants provided the insect size is not larger than the space between his eyes (roughly)

2. I rarely see him drink. I know he has to drink moving water, but this doesn't seem sufficient.

Set up a dripper and mist several times daily, prefrabley include a safe live plant and mist it too to keep beads of water on the leaves. Mine seems to enjoy being misted himself and it often encourages him to drink. Other than that ensure the crickets themselves are well hydrated by offering fresh fruit and greens.

3. When i first got him he was a light green color and would change to the darker greens and almost brown blacks when i would come to the tank and see him, These days he has been mostly brown. He has developed patterns on him (actually in the shape of a number five on one side of his body) But doesn't really change ranges of colors anymore. The only time i see him in the nice pale green is when the lights are off and he's sleeping. Is this normal?

In my limited personal experience, Id say no, its not normal. Dark coloration seems to indicate its unhappy. Check temps, ventilation etc. Always check the enviroment first. A screened enclosure really is best. Pale green is happy/calm, this is the norm.

4. His behavior has gotten weird. I've caught him walking on the floor of his cage, scratching at the side of the tank, and hanging from the screen top. When he sees me, he retreats to his tree and acts as if he hasn't been doing anything.

could be anything, again check the enviroment first. possibly loose crix bothering him? I include a bowl of fresh greens/carrot for crix to eat and gather about to minimise the chance of them bothering the cham.

5. He seems skinny. He's not "thick" I 've seen him shed only three times and i thought he would be bigger then this

Hes not bigger because he hasnt been getting enough food. The thiness is normal, males are generally thinner build than females.
 
Those are really good suggestions. My suggestion would be at 6 months he now needs a bigger screened cage. He could be scratching because he needs more room or he is seeing his reflection. For whatever reason at 6 months it is time... Also, give him more food. Males are really good about cutting back themselves. I was worried when my guy started eating every other day..He is about 200 grams now and he will eat 4-5 crickets every other day or a couple of large supers.
 
He is about half that size in total. I feel horrible that i have potentially been starving him. He hasn't really been showing any signs of being unhealthy. except for being small. It wasn't until i hadn't seen him change color that i started to be concerned. I'm getting the screened enclosure for him on sunday. I have taken the advice of misting him for longer times, he doesn't seem to mind it as long as i go slow, and he is drinking. He ate 15 crickets last night- Would it be better to give him crickets several times a day rather then all at once or does that not make a difference? I don't want him to get sick because all of the sudden he is eating double.
 
Don't beat yourself up, he is recoverable. You don't mention dusting Calcium on his feeders, this is vital for bone development and growth. You are learning just like all on this forum have done, and actually got most of it right!:D
 
Dont worry about his eating, offer him plenty, he wont eat too much, A reptiles first year is all growth. Just remember insect size, he'll catch up.
 
Make sure you read up on supplements and plan a good solid schedule that fits your chams needs. Brad's site has a lot of good information on it!! I like to refer to it as the veiled bible:D!!

Edit: LOL Brad beat me to it!!
 
Thanks, I read the link yesterday, great info.
Off the top of my head I'm not sure if the calcium dust in with or with out D3. I'll have to check what the canister says. But i only use the one which ever that may be. His crickets get dusted about every other day. No vitamin supplements either. I'll start that regimin.
Also, the crickets get the FLukers Orange 3 cubes a couple of fresh ones each day, is this sufficient gut loading?
 
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Ok, so the duster i use is Miner-All. I noticed that it has the D3. He has been receiving this more often then not on his crickets. I will back off some on it and switch to the regimen that others have suggested.
I want to thank everyone for the advice i have been given. There is a lot of conflicting crap on other sites, even the "breeder" that i got him from didn't really give me proper instructions, or even tell me where to find them. I'm so thankful that just in the nick of time i found the right place to come to get knowledgeable advice on how to give the best care.I really believe with the insight i have gained in only two days i will be able to give him proper care he deserves.
BTW, his name is PeterLorre, all one word. and he's really cool.
 
Welcome!

No I would say those orange cubes are not sufficient.
Here's some links on gutloading:
http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=101
http://www.screameleons.com/site/3602/default.aspx
https://www.chameleonforums.com/gutloading-tips-new-owner-15262/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/gutloading-recipes-1803/

Use the supplement with D3 once a week. Use a calcium supplement withOUT D3 dusted lightly on all crickets. Whether or not you use it on other insects really depends on the bug and what you feed the bug.
Use a vitamin supplement a couple times a month. This is in concert with a good gutload.

Here's a bunch of links regarding supplementation. I know it seems like a lot, but give yourself an hour to read these over and you'll learn quite a bit!

http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=96
http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=102
http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=93
https://www.chameleonforums.com/food-thought-12472/index2.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20060502...rnals.com/vet/index.php?show=5.Vitamin.A.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/good-vita-b-gutload-20094/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/supplement-schedule-14739/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/supplimenting-schedule-issue-13515/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/my-supplementation-schedule-ok-16028/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/supplementation-mbd-1-a-2451/ https://www.chameleonforums.com/feeding-d3-supplements-15789/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/calcium-d3-without-15065/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/vitamin-d3-10858/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/mixing-cal-w-d3-15999/
http://www.animalarkshelter.org/cin/
http://www.chameleonsonline.com/feeding.php
 
Thanks everyone!

In the week since i had posted the first question to start this thread I took all the great advice offered and am happy to say PeterLorre has turned around almost 100 percent. only four days after the increased feedings he shed- something i haven't seen in about a month or two. He seems to be well hydrated and doesn't seem to mind the misting as long as it's warm. Today was the first day in the screened enclosure (it took me a while to get plants, it's been brutally cold here) Already he is showing improvements in color. He was brown for weeks before this- it's why i saught advice- and now he is a medium green.Thanks to everyone that helped out.
 
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