Phoenix worms and Jackson's Chams.

[PappaRONzi]

I recently tried Phoenix worms for the first time on my young adult male Jackson's. He really enjoys them and I want to make them part of his regular diet. Because of the high calcium level in these feeders and Jackson's reaction to over supplementation, I want to make sure these are safe for jacksons and what would be a good amount to feed in a average week. He also gets gut loaded crickets and blue bottle flies. These are the only other feeders he will eat consistently.

 

[theAfamily]

just came here to post pretty much the same thing. I have an 8 month old veiled, he likes pheonix flies and was also wondering a proper dosage amount.
Looks like a great alternative but never like to make assumptions.


Crickets mealworm superworm pheonix larvae

Fat 6.0 12.7 17.9 9.4

Protein 21.3 20.3 17.4 17.3
PPM

Calcium 345 133 124 8155
PPM


phosphorous 4328 3345 2320 5355
PPM

ratio .08 .04 .05 1.52


as per Josh's frogs web site

thanks for your insight

Chris

 

[theAfamily]

had it all spaced out like a chart and it got resized, hope you can figure it out

http://www.joshsfrogs.com/food-nutrition/feeder-insects-supplies/phoenix-worms.html

here is the link

 

[PappaRONzi]

Thanks, will check it out.

 

[xanthoman]

bsfl

imo, no single feeder should make up more than 40% of the overall diet regardless of what it is. that being said, bsfl, aka pheonix worms, calci worms, are one of the best single feeders you can give your cham.
a good balance of protein to fat, and one of the few feeders that actually have a favorable ca/p ratio. they also have lauric acid an enzyme that is said to discourage coccidia and other pathogens .

diversity is key, however that also needs to be weighed against nutritional balance of other feeders to be offered. im not so sure that diversity is that important if it means replacing a balanced feeder like bsfl with less desirable feeders.
so, imo, feed all of the cultured bsfl you want (as long as it doesnt exceed 40% of the overall diet). probably preferable to what you would offer in its place anyway.

bsfl pulled directly off of a compost pile, now thats a different story, however bsfl can be washed.

bsfl have a tough rubbery leathery skin that many chams find hard to digest, so i always recommend offering some other feeder in between bsfl feedings and also taking the occassional bsfl break.

a common practice is to nip them in the sides with a fingernail clipper, so the chams digestive juices have a place to get a hold of. if you start getting large % of mostly undigested bsfl, probably good to slow down or give it a rest for a while. jmo

ps this might be a little less confusing/easier to read, than the joshs frogs site. http://www.beautifuldragons.com/Nutritionframeset.html

 

[theAfamily]

imo, no single feeder should make up more than 40% of the overall diet regardless of what it is. that being said, bsfl, aka pheonix worms, calci worms, are one of the best single feeders you can give your cham.
a good balance of protein to fat, and one of the few feeders that actually have a favorable ca/p ratio. they also have lauric acid an enzyme that is said to discourage coccidia and other pathogens .

diversity is key, however that also needs to be weighed against nutritional balance of other feeders to be offered. im not so sure that diversity is that important if it means replacing a balanced feeder like bsfl with less desirable feeders.
so, imo, feed all of the cultured bsfl you want (as long as it doesnt exceed 40% of the overall diet). probably preferable to what you would offer in its place anyway.

bsfl pulled directly off of a compost pile, now thats a different story, however bsfl can be washed.

bsfl have a tough rubbery leathery skin that many chams find hard to digest, so i always recommend offering some other feeder in between bsfl feedings and also taking the occassional bsfl break.

a common practice is to nip them in the sides with a fingernail clipper, so the chams digestive juices have a place to get a hold of. if you start getting large % of mostly undigested bsfl, probably good to slow down or give it a rest for a while. jmo

ps this might be a little less confusing/easier to read, than the joshs frogs site. http://www.beautifuldragons.com/Nutritionframeset.html

Thank you for the great reply, I have been feeding every two to three days and will usually mix in some crickets or veg/fruits.

chris