Pet Store Chams

ChamMan7

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A few weeks ago, during a supplement run to a local big-name pet store, I stopped to watch one of the employees clean out their veiled chameleons TANK. I had always been quite bothered by the fact that the two three to four month veileds they had were kept in the same ten gallon tank so I stopped and watched her clean, curious as to how knowledgable and proficient with their reptiles the employees were.
In an attempt to catch the little guys she quickly lunged at the cham from the top of the tank, pinning him down against the coconut fiber substrate (pointing at yet another lack of general knowledge of handling and environment setup), and grabbed him around the middle to put him into a small Tupperware next to the tank while she cleaned. I walked by at this point, apauled and quite angry. I bent over next to her to look in the Tupperware container at the poor guy and she asked if I was interested in him. I told her at the moment I wasn't able to take another Cham but she was persistent in her attempts to sell him. She picked him up in the same manner as before and presented him to me saying, "I would let you hold him, but he bites."
I was not surprised to hear this as he had good reason to, but then she gave him even more reason by grabbing his casque and shaking in it what She apparently thought was a playful and loving manner. Hissing and biting at her fingers she dropped him back in the tank.

My reason for sharing this is not to discourage the purchase of chameleons from big name pet stores like this, but to share it on a forum that people care about the wellbeing of these amazing animals and to be mindful of what can be happening in these stores. I am sure that not all stores and employees are this incompetent but there are the exceptions that I think we all need to be reminded of. Make sure your purchases are from breeders with knowledge and good reputations that are devoted to the health of the animals they are producing.

A few days later, after clearing some space, I went back to the store and bought the little guy. He is thriving and now living a much happier and stress free life.
 
First off; welcome!

I am okay with actively discouraging buying anything other than supplies from a big box store. Especially an animal with complex care like a chameleon.

By purchasing a chameleon from a big box store it only encourages them to demand more from their breeders and subject more to this treatment. Most will not be so lucky to wind up with a person like you. Most will be an impulse buy for some spoiled kid who will just let it die after the novelty wears off.

Anyway here is a good relevant (and relatively recent) thread that goes into good detail on the subject.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/i-am-mission-80331/
 
I discourage even buying supplies from a big box store if you can help it. Supporting the store at all supports the way they keep the animals. They make most of their money on the supplies anyways. Only support stores (not chains) that you feel sufficiently take care of the animals.
 
I discourage even buying supplies from a big box store if you can help it. Supporting the store at all supports the way they keep the animals. They make most of their money on the supplies anyways. Only support stores (not chains) that you feel sufficiently take care of the animals.

I do buy cat and dog supplies as this is what these stores are good at. They support local cat and dog adoption groups and I feel do good for the community and cats and dogs. I only buy herp supplies in an emergency because they are open later than the small pet stores I support.

In general I pay a little more for herp supplies to support specialty herp stores though and feel that is the right thing to do.
 
I did that too...

I have been wanting one for years. It just wasn't the right time then. But I recently started getting ready for one. I wanted to get it from a breeder this month at April reptile show. However after I seen my guy on the bottom shelf in a 20 gallon aqaurium at a pet store; next to a tank full of hermit crabs I started wondering. I did wait a week determined I wouldn't buy him. The following week I went back surprised he was still there and still alive. This time the tank of hermit crabs were all dead. (that was my decided factor) I was determined I could definitely do a better job. $500.00 later he was mine but he is spoiled and I love watching my sweet Nelson. I am happy I got him.

I am glad you bought that little one!!!!

Amy
 
I usually buy my supplies online as there are no specialty herp stores in my area but one of the few times I walk into one of the big name chain stores I see something like that.

And thank you for the welcome to the forums. I am happy to finally be a member and it is great to see such enthusiasm!
 
It still supports treating the herps badly. Its a choice you have to make. You can always donate to shelters yourself so that you aren't supporting the mistreatment of the reptiles.
 
It still supports treating the herps badly. Its a choice you have to make. You can always donate to shelters yourself so that you aren't supporting the mistreatment of the reptiles.

And the way they treat birds is all bad, their fish selection is terrible and there are often unhealthy fish in the tanks (more so than is to be expected) and their small mammals come from nasty rodent farms.

I worked at a small ma and pa pet store all through high school where we literally would not sell animals to people who we didn't feel would treat them right and the animal care always took priority over customer service. I remember being yelled at for walking by a cat enclosure that had a fresh dookie in the litter box because I was trying to help a customer. I also go yelled at for trying to show a customer one of the Jackson's we had. "These animals are not toys, if someone wants one they don't need to hold it first" ha haa.

The thing is while the big box stores displaced the nasty little animal cave stores full of dead and dying animals wallowing in filth they also displaced the good small stores like I used to work at. I honestly didn't even walk into a big box story until the early 2000s because it disgusted me. Maybe it is time to renew that.
 
i am proud to say the "big box" store i work at is nothing like that! when i started i was surprized to find out that typically all the employees have at least one reptile, some have multiples. (mostly snakes and crested geckos) we have an itty bitty veiled chameleon that came in last week. we have a strict rule that only serious inquires are allow to hold him, or any reptile we sale. and before selling any of the chameleons, the employee walks the customer through out reptile supples and tells them everything they will need in order to keep the cham healthy like the calcium dust, screen cages, misters, dripper system. i am thankful the people i work with care about how the animal being purchased will be living and treated. its a good feeling. i wish more stores hired their employees on the bases the place i work at does.
 
I have been wanting one for years. It just wasn't the right time then. But I recently started getting ready for one. I wanted to get it from a breeder this month at April reptile show. However after I seen my guy on the bottom shelf in a 20 gallon aqaurium at a pet store; next to a tank full of hermit crabs I started wondering. I did wait a week determined I wouldn't buy him. The following week I went back surprised he was still there and still alive. This time the tank of hermit crabs were all dead. (that was my decided factor) I was determined I could definitely do a better job. $500.00 later he was mine but he is spoiled and I love watching my sweet Nelson. I am happy I got him.

I am glad you bought that little one!!!!

Amy

What kind of cham did you buy for $500 dollars?
 
And the way they treat birds is all bad, their fish selection is terrible and there are often unhealthy fish in the tanks (more so than is to be expected) and their small mammals come from nasty rodent farms.

I worked at a small ma and pa pet store all through high school where we literally would not sell animals to people who we didn't feel would treat them right and the animal care always took priority over customer service. I remember being yelled at for walking by a cat enclosure that had a fresh dookie in the litter box because I was trying to help a customer. I also go yelled at for trying to show a customer one of the Jackson's we had. "These animals are not toys, if someone wants one they don't need to hold it first" ha haa.

The thing is while the big box stores displaced the nasty little animal cave stores full of dead and dying animals wallowing in filth they also displaced the good small stores like I used to work at. I honestly didn't even walk into a big box story until the early 2000s because it disgusted me. Maybe it is time to renew that.

I bought my first budgie at a big box chain pet store and she was in such terrible living conditions and far from tamed the only interaction was when they clean the cage (which looked to be hardly ever) and to put more food in their GLASS "cage".
 
i am proud to say the "big box" store i work at is nothing like that! when i started i was surprized to find out that typically all the employees have at least one reptile, some have multiples. (mostly snakes and crested geckos) we have an itty bitty veiled chameleon that came in last week. we have a strict rule that only serious inquires are allow to hold him, or any reptile we sale. and before selling any of the chameleons, the employee walks the customer through out reptile supples and tells them everything they will need in order to keep the cham healthy like the calcium dust, screen cages, misters, dripper system. i am thankful the people i work with care about how the animal being purchased will be living and treated. its a good feeling. i wish more stores hired their employees on the bases the place i work at does.

YAY....thank you for posting that hayleycole. I've never found my local big box stores (either brand) to be bad about reptile care. Heck, one near my office carries feeders (extremely well cared for) but no reptiles. They refer everyone who's interested to LLLReptiles.
 
I won't lie, I just bought my little guy from a petstore. A small store, specializing in fish and reptiles. https://www.chameleonforums.com/new-little-guy-d-80600/ He's awesome, and I don't regret it. I think it's exciting to see how he will turn out since I don't know what his parents look like. They actually know what they are talking about. Made sure I knew everything and had it all before I took him home. Had a nice talk with them, it was good to talk to them versuses petsmart who said they were similar to bearded dragons and petco who said I would kill it in a month!
 
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