Panther problems! Loose stool!!!!

Discussion in 'Health Clinic' started by thereptichick, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. thereptichick

    thereptichick New Member

    Cage: 260g reptarium near air vent. 1 24" Reptisun 5.0 2 150watt night bulbs and 1 150 watt basking my humidity is always at least 60% due to waterfall with tons of silk, plastic, vine and plants to reduce the loss of heat and add seclusion and lots of grapevine bamboo branches and etc... The panther is an eight month old ambanja/sambava male I purchased a month ago from LLL Reptile he is alaso supplemented calcium twice a week by dusting, and he has been eating and drinking well until his first shed here hes dehydrated and lack of appetite scary but today I freaked when i saw loose stool misting has not changed at all and the loose stool is it the dreaded mbd or just stress from his shed?:confused:
  2. dodolah

    dodolah Retired Moderator

    Here is some recommended information to include when asking for help in the health clinic forum. By giving this info in your post, you will receive more accurate and beneficial responses. It might not be necessary to include all this info, but the more you do include the better. Please remember that even the most knowledgeable person can only guess at what your problem may be. Only an experienced reptile vet who can directly examine your animal can give a true diagnostic of your chameleon's health.

    Cage Info:

    * Cage Type - What kind of cage are you using? What is the size?
    * Lighting - What kind of lighting are you using? How long do you keep the lights on during the day?
    * Temperature - What temperature range have you created? Basking spot temp? What is the temperature at night?
    * Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels?
    * Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
    * Location - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas?

    Chameleon Info:

    * Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon.
    * Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What kind of schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
    * Supplements - What are you dusting your feeders with and what kind of schedule do you use?
    * Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
    * Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings.
    * History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
    * Current Problem - The current problem that you are concerned about.

    Pictures can really help as well.
  3. thereptichick

    thereptichick New Member

    He is eating roughly a lil bit more than a 1/3 of his weight a week in gut loaded crickets he gets different flavors of cricket by gut loading them with one item of vegetable/ fruit with a bit of grain with each. his temperatures are basking area 90 mid range is 84 cool end is 76 he gets uvb and basking 9 hours of the day but it seems to discomfort him he tends to hang out in thickest part of the tank but when hungry will hop on the top branch and await food.
  4. dodolah

    dodolah Retired Moderator

    Hi, i'm not trying to be a jerk. I apologize in advance if i offend you somehow. But, perhaps, in your next response you can put some periods here and there to get your points across better.
    But, on to your chameleon problems, I have highlighted the things that are problematic.

    You have 150 watt heat lamps that on for 24 hours (assuming you are turning the night lamp on during the evening).
    These lights alone is a warrant that deplete your chameleon's hydration.
    i suggest using 1 heat lamp 75 watt or lower (unless if you live in area that is extremely cold).
    no light whatsoever during the night unless the temp drops below 60 F.

    The waterfall need to go. This is not good for your chameleon.
    You should achieve humidity by drippers and misting the enclosure at least twice a day.
    What do you mean by loose stool?
  5. thereptichick

    thereptichick New Member

    The urate is not present the stool is loose as in not whole. It is tan and mush with a thin film running through it. The lamps are all hanging above the top of the reptarium to prevent burning. The waterfall is sterilized daily, water is replaced twice a day with fiji water, and is placed out of direct light to prevent bacteria growth................................................
  6. Brad Ramsey

    Brad Ramsey Retired Moderator

    I would suggest having a fecal float done by your veterinarian to rule out parasites or bacterial problems.
    If his test comes back clean, we can help you troubleshoot, but you need to eliminate that possibility first.

  7. Sepioteuthis

    Sepioteuthis New Member

    I agree with Brad.
    Also you might want to ask your vet's opinion about treating with Flagyl (kills parasitic flagellates) even if the fecal comes back clean. Flagellates are a natural part of a chameleons intestinal flora, but if there's too many of them they can cause diarrhea. Flagellates can only survive for a few hours outside the body and once they are dead they can be difficult to detect in a fecal sample.
    I've had a same thing with one of my female melleri and the Flagyl solved the problem in that case.
  8. joefarah

    joefarah New Member

    Did you mention the cham's enclosure is near an air vent? An AC vent? What kind of vent and why is the enclosure next to it?
  9. thereptichick

    thereptichick New Member

    Thank you for your advice his appointment is tomorrow morning with his most recent stool. The enclosure is 6' away from an ac vent and 2' from a door I even went through the trouble of creating a deflector for the vent's flow towards the enclosure.

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