Panther chameleon care( worth a look)

[CleanHome Chameleons]

One ov these panthers below has not been supplemented any way from 3 month old, nor has the feeders been gutloaded. Fed exclusively on locust.
Hand sprayed 2 times a day if he remembered.. No live plants in the Viv or no shaded parts, lighting is t5 suspended 12.5 inches above the highest perch.. Can u tell witch one it is????
It's crazy to think that's its done very well considering the factors. How is this possible?
Discussions would be good
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2

3

4


Let me know your thoughts on this and your guess?!

Thanks
Mark

 

[qdude46]

I'm gonna guess #1

 

[reptoman]

#1. Fat pads are depleted and eyes slightly sunken.

 

[Chameleonmaster]

#1. Fat pads are depleted and eyes slightly sunken.

I agree with you! you can tell the differences in them, Especially the sunken eyes

 

[Decadancin]

Tough to tell by just the pictures, but I would agree that the first one does look a bit dehydrated. I would be more concerned with what could be wrong on the "inside" due to possible issues with nutrition. This wouldn't necessarily be visible from a photo. Not to say that there is a problem. Remember, if an animal is weakened by lack of nutrition it will be less able to fight off infections or disease if exposed. Probably just lucky so far. Definitely not the ideal conditions .

 

[edward82]

Just a guess but i would say #1 also due to the dull look in color and eyes look a lil sunk in im no perfesional tho

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

Very interesting so far! I will wait a few more posts before I enlighten you all and fill u guys in on the info.

Thanks again
Mark

 

[vgaines]

I have zero experience with Panthers but I am gonna say #1. He just doesn't look healthy. Not only are his eyes sunken in he just looks dull and unwell...

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

Anybody's else want to guess?

 

[erik775]

I would wanna say the nosy be cause his arms and legs look a bit on the thin side...
But the ambi does look a bit on the thin side too...

 

[Chameleonmaster]

I would wanna say the nosy be cyz his arms and legs look a bit on the thin side...
But the ambi does look a bit on the thin side too...

I took another look and I say either the first or the last one the other 2 look pretty good.
To the OP mbd usually occurs when a chameleon is still growing If the bones don't have enough of the right vitamins but you can still see the effects on the body even though they're not severe.

 

[erik775]

Yup I'm going with the nosy be...

 

[Dr O]

i’m not going to guess based on these photos, but i’ll tell you what—had you shown xrays to me of all 5 chams i’ll bet i could pick it out in a second…..

 

[parishcromer]

I cant tell but I hope he is in better hands!

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

Thanks for all your input the right answer believe it or not is number 3, he is the brother to number 1, the other chams 1, 2 and 4 get the same level of care ie, misted 5 times a day calcium every other feed, d3 and vits given monthly, fed on varied diet of course gutloaded on different greens.
A link to numbers 1's growth

https://www.chameleonforums.com/showthread.php?t=94720
And also a link to number 1's care witch all my chams receive.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/showthread.php?t=107381
Just to add his eyes and fat pads have always been the same

Am can't believe number 3 is like that nice a bright and fires up lovely he's very active, his eyes are plump and fecal is normal nice a white. As also the top of his head is fine.

Mark

 

[drcrossfire]

Without the same photo of each it'd be hard to guess. #3 does look good, but I wonder the other factors involved. What do the locusts eat? How often does it go in the sun

 

[CleanHome Chameleons]

The locust are bought and fed off straight away. He's had no real sun what so ever, am finding this remarkable, I have baby's from both brothers and I will hold a few back and grow one on like number 3 and grown one on normal Cham care just to see the outcome.

Mark

 

[rummbo]

my guess is #1. the color is just not as vibrant and the sunken eyes.