New ill chameleon

pmsuzel

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I just bought my first chameleon about a week ago. he's much less active then he was when I first got him but he still seems to be getting around the cage. he doesn't seem to be eating and he's gotten very thin. today he vomitted up the mealworms I did get him to eat yesterday. I'm not sure what's wrong with him!
CAGE: he is is in a full screen cage that measures 20x18x12.
LIGHTING: I have 2 lights on top of the cage, one is a 50 watt basking exo terra brand light and the other is a 5.0 uvb zoo med bulb. I turn them on when I get up in the morning about 9 am and keep them on until I go to bed at about 11 pm, only turning them off when I'm not home for a few hours just because I worry about fire hazards.
TEMP: the cage never gets below 70 degrees.
HUMIDITY: I mist the cage down often, no less than 4 times a day, being that it is a completely screened cage I know it is harder to maintain humidity, I use bark chips on the bottom to try to maintain good moisture as well.
PLANTS: I have two live tropical terrarium plants in the cage with him, I'm not sure what they are but one is bamboo like and he likes to sit in that one and the other is spider plant like. I also have a variety of different plastic vined plants in there as well, which he travels along often.
LOCATION: the cage is on an end table near the couch in the livingroom. I live alone and don't spend alot of time in the livingroom so it's not too high a traffic area and its not near any vents or fans. the top of the cage is about 3.5 feet from the floor.
CHAMELEON: I'm not sure of the sex or age but his body not including tail is about 3" long. he is a senegal chameleon.
HANDLING:I try not to handle him very often only maybe 2 or 3 times, not including transitioning home.
FEEDING:I've tried giving him small crickets, that's what the pet store said they were feeding him, but I've never seen him eat them and I cant tell if he's eating them when I'm not around or if they're dying on there own. they're hard to find in the bark. I picked up some mealworms yesterday and he ate 8 of them when I held them in tweezers and fed them to him, because he doesn't seem to want to hunt and I wanted to make sure he was eating something.
SUPPLEMENTS: I powder the feeders with 'tetrafauna reptolife plus' vitamins.
WATERING: I've seen him lick the leaves when I am misting so I tend to keep misting everything down until I see him stop drinking.
FECAL: I've only seen him excrete once, when I first got him, and it seemed solid but fluidy, almost like bird feces. it had both white and green/yellow tones.
like I said, I just recently got him and he is my first, so I'm pretty new at this all. I am very sad and don't want to see him die. if anyone can offer up any thoughts or advise it would be greatly appreciated. I feel I'm doing everything best to my knowledge but if I am missing something I want to quickly fix my errors.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
 
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Your chameleon needs more consistant heating and for twelve or thirteen hours a day. Switching off lights when going out is not an option. Make sure he's got a good basking spot, and you may need a slightly higher wattage bulb if your cage is full screen. He's probably still setting in anyhow, i'm sure your chameleon will pick up.
 
I agree with neonate about him needing more light ,hol long are you gone for when you do leave?
 
I'm worried my dog may get curious one time. it's unlikely but still, animals are unpredictable. twice a week I am gone no longer than 3 hours. any other day it's about an hour lull if any.
 
it was explained to me that if he went from 0-60 so rapidly then it was malnutrition. I was told if it were lighting or temp then the affects would b much more gradual. is this true? am I doing everything I should be?
 
What is the range of temperature provided? Meaning what is the temp in the hotest basking spot, in the middle of the cage and at the bottom of the cage? If temp is too low, they have trouble digesting. What are you using to measure the temperature?

what is the humidity reading?

Mealworms are a poor choice of diet. Little to no nutrition, and hard to digest. What else are you offering?
what do you gutload with?
I am not familiar with 'tetrafauna reptolife plus vitamins' - what's in that?
 
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his home and a couple pics
 

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I knew mealworms were a poor choice but I didn't see him eating any of the crickets I leave in his cage for him so I figured I try to get him to eat something
 
mealworms are awful to digest. i made the mistake of giving some to mine, and i thought we were still using baby supers at work, but we were not. Can you get a good side shot of his eyes? i cant personally see them, and in one picture it looks sunken in the other it doesnt.

Im going to be trying horn worms soon, and since they are high in everything may try my hand at home raising them.

also a shot of the tail would be nice to see its plumpness

oh yeah and those wood chips at the bottom are no good if you are getting them wet they will mildew, and mold which is deadly not only to him, but to you
 
any suggestions on what to use then? how about those hydration balls? i want it to be safe and functional but as well as nice looking. I really do not want to just line the bottom with paper towels
 
I use paper towels and change it daily. We all want something "nice" looking, but substrate at the bottom of your cage can be dangerous to your cham. Plus, bark chips can increase the chances of mites, which I won't even go into how hard it is to get rid of them.

The problem with substrate itself is that your chameleon can accidentally ingest it (or intentionally, as someone on here had witnessed their chameleon trying to EAT the bark chips), and can cause impaction and in severe cases, death. Make it pretty by adding more plants or vines, if you want. But no substrate at the bottom. I mean, in a sense I guess you could if you can find something non-toxic and non problematic, but I don't think it's even worth the risk.

Hydration problems seem way too common for chameleons. It helps to gutload your feeders with water-containing fruits and vegetables. Your chameleon may also be drinking, but not in front of you.

Give it some time. Your chameleon is probably trying to get used to its new home. My chameleon took several weeks to get accustomed in his terranium, and I was also afraid he wasn't drinking or eating enough. He seems fine now.
 
honestly senegal chameleons are always wc and rarely survive ..sorry to hear about yours...probably parasites..
 
You said something about a dog, can the dog get near the chameleon? If so that may be part of the problem, the dog would scare the chamemeon. Could you put the cage up higher where the dog can't get close to him? What kind of dog do you have? I have 2 female schipperkies.

During the time I had senegals, for over 18 months, I almost never saw them eat, just the evidence that they had.:p Give him some time to calm down, it can take senegals some time. You should also consider a fecal sample taken to a vet to see if he has parasites, that is common in senegals but easily treated. Best of luck.
 
she's just a small boxer begal mix. she can see him but she really doesn't go near him. she'll look at him if she's sitting on my lap on the couch, but doesn't get all over him.
 
- Get rid of the bark. Trust me when you're spraying a chameleon that much and putting a drip for him to drink, cleaning and replacing that bark is a pain in the butt and it makes a mess, and it's bad for your chameleon.

- That log you have in the cage is useless. Remember, chameleons are arboreal. They live up in trees. Your chameleon is never going to crawl on the ground of the cage. Fill up your cage with plants so he has lots to climb on, and he has a basking spot near the top of the cage. Browse the photography forum on this site and look at pictures of other people's setup. However, you have a great screen cage. Good job there.

- Your chameleon is still young, hand feed him or cup feed him so you can monitor his diet. Put the prey items in a cup, and secure the cup to a vine near the chameleon's basking spot. He'll see the insects moving in there, and come get them. Feeding your chameleon mealworms is fine, but they are NOT a staple diet insect. They are not nutritious enough. Gut-loaded crickets are preferable. A few mealworms now and again is OK though.

- I'm concerned that you said your chameleon vomited mealworms. That's not good, but I'm not sure how to advise you on that one.

- Get a timer and put the lights in the cage on a timer so you don't have to manually turn them on and off, and your chameleon gets consistent light. Does your dog "get curious" if you leave the house and leave a lamp turned on? I don't see the issue with leaving the lights on for your chameleon.
 
Most likely a Paracite issue also, Ive owned Seagals and they come from the Jungles full of them. Im most positive Its wild caught. You neet a Vet visit soon and treated or you can buy Reptaid from the Site Sponcer Chameleons Northwest in this forum. and treat yourself as recomended. They come back pretty quick if properly treated, soon enough. and sounds like now would be good. Also My Senagals really liked Flys and Moths. Dont know where you live but you may be able to collect some off your porchlight at night. I know everyone here freeks out about feeding wild caught bugs but I have done moths for over 15 years With ALL my Chams with no I'll effects. Moths are like candy to them, they cant get enough, and are packed with nutritional goodies!
 
I can't tell from the picture, but you need a "tube" 5.0 uvb light, not compact, its not good for them.
 
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