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[eisentrauti]

Aha Vielen Dank

 

[jojackson]

Willkommen glückliches neues Jahr!

 

[Kent67]

where are the experts ?

Post #5.

 

[eisentrauti]

did you really know it or have you guessed it ?

 

[Kent67]

Not a guess. Ever see a baby Parson's with white toes?

 

[eisentrauti]

To be honest I haven't seen so many parsonii juvenils And I never took a special look on their toes. Anyway good to know !

 

[Kent67]

Ah. Yep, the white toes on juvies is something I've always associated with Calumma globifer but not seen in any other species of that complex. I suppose it could be C. ambreense, though. They seem to have more of a dorsal crest than C. globifer.

 

[Chris Anderson]

Not a guess. Ever see a baby Parson's with white toes?

Calumma parsonii cristifer babies can also have white toes.

Chris

 

[Kent67]

Really?? Going to look for photos....

Edit: That's not supposed to sound rude. Just never noticed it.

 

[Chris Anderson]

Kent,

I'm pretty sure. I know C. o. ambreense babies can and I was pretty sure cristifer can too. I'll have to double check too now.

Chris

 

[eisentrauti]

Kent I knew it

 

[Kent67]

I'm checking online resources first before I go trying to find pics of Kenny's clutch. So far, the baby in Carl Cattau's article on Cham News does not have white toes.

Edit: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mongabay.s3.amazonaws.com/madagascar/600/madagascar_0480.jpg&imgrefurl=http://travel.mongabay.com/madagascar/images/madagascar_0480.html&usg=__MKt11f5QA6ax8-BM1exN46evkGM=&h=401&w=600&sz=58&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=YEhjT9Rdoox01M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Danalamazoatra%2Bchameleon%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ic2.pbase.com/t5/37/741337/4/107113464.Xs8daWna.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbase.com/crail_birder/madagascar&usg=__ERGO8A1WVxcgQmdEdcqZN5q2duc=&h=126&w=160&sz=7&hl=en&start=56&tbnid=9aICnjzJ_uA0FM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dperinet%2Bchameleon%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D54

 

[Chris Anderson]

I checked a bunch of my photos too and it does not seem to be completely consistent. I have a couple photos of baby C. p. cristifer (particularly one from Kurt Belys) that have evident spots on some of their toes and they are much reduced and more faint then in C. globifer on the rest. In most pics they don't seem evident but it appears they can have them. I've never seen C. p. parsonii have any, however. I'll have to check a couple books when I get home for it too. As I said, Calumma oshaughnessyi ambreense definitely have them (not sure on C. o. oshaughnessyi though).

Chris

 

[Kent67]

Good to know. So much for using that method to speciate juvies....

 

[eisentrauti]

Yeah, again I've learned something in the CF

 

[Chris Anderson]

Hey Kent,

I did some more research and it looks like C. o. oshaughnessyi also have dots on the toes. I looked through the photos I took of young C. p. cristifer in Perinet and I found the same thing as I mentioned before. A lot of them had no dots but some had weak dotting on some of their toes. Below is a quick pic I took with my iPhone of a photo I took (I was too lazy to walk upstairs and scan it) where you can see the weak spots on the back toes.

Anyway, I still maintain that the OP's photo is a C. globifer.

Chris

 

[OOOst16]

lucky....you and your parsons.....show off lol jk! thats a perttty cham there.

 

[AJA]

Chris, I hate to mention this, but your nails need to be re-done.

 

[sebs]

Hi,
For me, the first picture can be a cristifer but the 2 last are globifer.

cordially
sebs