Melleri social behavior

bifidus

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Ok, I have 3 of melleri (my next generation) growing in one cage. 2 of them are "friends" and usually close each to other. Third is "self-contained" it can be close to them at bask spot, but mostly it is separated.

However they are "food competitors" and they oberve each other. If one is hunting, they start hunt as well and often go closer to "look". I guarantee that in some cases they do not see prey itself, just hunting behavior. Moreover if the pray is in competitors range, they act much more quickly to be the first. By large prey items (Pseudoproscopia) the largest sometimes is ready " shoot another prey end" and take it out from mouth of the weaker collegue.

Ok, chameleons often eats shedded skin. This is normal, common. My largest specimen shedded yesterday. Today it was almost clean, just one small piece on left hind foot, mini right on front foot and one on tail. It was shedding yesterday afternoon. All are not hungry because there are hatching flies in cage and they are that full that "no one fly can pass inside". They will need 2-3 days to clean that cage :) . Today came smaller "sibbling" and has eaten piece of skin from tail of larger bro. I took a camera. Than made attempt to get skin on left foot. But the sheeded animal go away and was eaten part of skin, hanging there from past evening:

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You need excuse quality of pictures, I am shooting through metall wire by artificial light (I know flash bothers them), 1600 Asa and still long time, oh and manual focus.

The shedded melleri was provoked to eat that own skin by eating of another animal? I do not know, but until than he was not doing it many hours and it was sittingi right bellow as minimum 2 hours. After that he allowed "hunt" that piece of skin on left hind foot:

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On last picture you can see piece of skin stuck out of mouth.

I noticed in past that they "clean" each other. They do not allow "bites" in pieces on head, nose or front foot (probably are too sensitive) but simple they allow it on tail or dorsal ridge without protesting. I am sure they know each other, understand a bit what is another doing (if one is hunting they try compete, if they see that one found good bask spot and gets in basking position they will go there as well). They are not so simple dull animals and minimum we can observe a bit social behavior between them similar like we expect between mammals. This eating of rest of skins on another chameleon looks very interesting to me. They simple know what skin is - they recognise it long after shedding and on another animal as well. Eating of sking is not "I need clean myself" but it is instinct.

Ok, I need admit something that I never told to anybody. I have that instinct as well. I have problems, my skin around fingernails thickens and dries quickly and I and removing it with nails. I do not throw it away - I eat it. Same way I eat thick skin from heels on fooths. There is so strong instict somewhere deep inside that normally I can not came over it. I am sexually quite conservative and eating skin even from heels of Sharon Stone when she was 20 does not look attractive to me. Just mine own, there is something deep inside... Ok, I agree that it is disgusting, but I can not help me, it is stronger than me. May be I remember when I was reptile?
 
1st. I'm so jealous that you have baby melleri.
2nd. Interesting observations.
3rd. I was about to run and grab some lunch, but after that last bit, I may not...Ewwwwww!!!! :eek:

Awesome chams and nice pics!
 
Very interesting observations... possibly they are lacking something in their diet that they feel the need to eat the skin..im not sure...

but that last part.... lmao.. A bit weird, but im not grossed out by it..

Were ALL weird in our own ways :p

P.s. Nice melleri! More pictures of them please! :)
 
Interesting and i am sure that makes sense. Not sure of the nutritional value but there must be some there for the chameleons to eat their shed skin. Great observation and thank you for the pictures! Ruth
 
I too am jealous of your melleri! And great observations.

It is believed that reptiles will eat their own skin for the same reason that mother wolves will eat the poop of their pups - it's a way of getting rid of the scent trail that innevitably leads a predator to the animal in mid-shed, like a trail of bread crumbs. If you eat it, there is no trailto track you by, as it were.
 
Lmfao! That's super creepy and gross! But, to each their own I guess. Looks like your chams are mimicking your tendency to eat heel skin lol.:D
 
For some reason Im thinking your related to Goldmember from Austin Powers movie..............:eek:

And for some reason..............very scared for humanity right now.........
 
I'll ignore the weird skin eating fetishes and just agree with most of the OPs behavior assessments. I have 12 melleri and while they do not eat their own or each others shedded skin or clean or groom each other, I have noticed the other behaviors especially:

However they are "food competitors" and they oberve each other. If one is hunting, they start hunt as well and often go closer to "look". I guarantee that in some cases they do not see prey itself, just hunting behavior. Moreover if the pray is in competitors range, they act much more quickly to be the first. By large prey items (Pseudoproscopia) the largest sometimes is ready " shoot another prey end" and take it out from mouth of the weaker collegue.

I'll add that my 12 melleri live together on a large free range and range from young adults to large adults over 3 years of age. They are all WC so I do not know exact ages. Weights range from 120 grams to well over 400 grams. Three are known males, one is known female and the rest are unknown but we have educated guesses based on behavior. They very much learn from each other from each other and mimic behavior.
 
I'll ignore the weird skin eating fetishes and just agree with most of the OPs behavior assessments. I have 12 melleri and while they do not eat their own or each others shedded skin or clean or groom each other, I have noticed the other behaviors especially:

However they are "food competitors" and they oberve each other. If one is hunting, they start hunt as well and often go closer to "look". I guarantee that in some cases they do not see prey itself, just hunting behavior. Moreover if the pray is in competitors range, they act much more quickly to be the first. By large prey items (Pseudoproscopia) the largest sometimes is ready " shoot another prey end" and take it out from mouth of the weaker collegue.

I'll add that my 12 melleri live together on a large free range and range from young adults to large adults over 3 years of age. They are all WC so I do not know exact ages. Weights range from 120 grams to well over 400 grams. Three are known males, one is known female and the rest are unknown but we have educated guesses based on behavior. They very much learn from each other from each other and mimic behavior.


12 now?!?!? That is just AWESOMEEE!!!!!
 
I'll ignore the weird skin eating fetishes and just agree with most of the OPs behavior assessments. I have 12 melleri and while they do not eat their own or each others shedded skin or clean or groom each other, I have noticed the other behaviors especially:

However they are "food competitors" and they oberve each other. If one is hunting, they start hunt as well and often go closer to "look". I guarantee that in some cases they do not see prey itself, just hunting behavior. Moreover if the pray is in competitors range, they act much more quickly to be the first. By large prey items (Pseudoproscopia) the largest sometimes is ready " shoot another prey end" and take it out from mouth of the weaker collegue.

I'll add that my 12 melleri live together on a large free range and range from young adults to large adults over 3 years of age. They are all WC so I do not know exact ages. Weights range from 120 grams to well over 400 grams. Three are known males, one is known female and the rest are unknown but we have educated guesses based on behavior. They very much learn from each other from each other and mimic behavior.

Goodness! 12?!? What's the holdup on getting us some CB babies?? I've been patiently waiting for a melleri! ;)
 
12 now?!?!? That is just AWESOMEEE!!!!!

Goodness! 12?!? What's the holdup on getting us some CB babies?? I've been patiently waiting for a melleri! ;)

Yes, 12 ... can anyone convince them to have babies? They think they are in some frat house with servants who bring them tasty treats while they hang out living in luxury ... the males show interest but the ladies are not feelin it ...

I love them no matter what but I want babies too!
 
Yes, 12 ... can anyone convince them to have babies? They think they are in some frat house with servants who bring them tasty treats while they hang out living in luxury ... the males show interest but the ladies are not feelin it ...

I love them no matter what but I want babies too!

LOL ungrateful little friends we have arent they? ;)
 
LOL ungrateful little friends we have arent they? ;)

Many of them are younger (I think - smaller weights) so I expect it will be some time before they are breeding age ... still, I love baby chameleons and would just love baby melleri. Though I do agree they should be a bit more grateful for all I've done for them ...
 
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