Mbd!!!!!!!!

Chameleonbider

Chameleonbider

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I have a young veiled chameleon that is suffering from mbd what can I do to help him? He is at the stage where his bones are starting to bow I started giving him calcium with D3 and multivitamins. What else can I do? It's been about a week that I started this process he doesn't seem to shake as mych but his limbs still look bad.anything helps thanks!
 
How did he get MBD in the first place? Please fill out the following and we will try to help. You would certainly want to get to a good Vet to get a calcium injection.

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?
 
you need to gutload his crix with the "safe" list of fruits and veggies like normal....but also make sure your gutloading with COLLARD GREENS...they have high calcium therfore giving it to you cham(pssh taut me that) ....so regular gutload + colllard greens....use your d3 dust as usual once every 2 weeks....and use calcium dust without d3 every day ....vet visit is needed for a calcium boost injection.
 
Need calcium injections.....

He will need the injectable and oral calcium from a vet to really recover. You have to get ahead of the curve quickly. Where do you live? Any chance of real sun? You also need to boost his UVB light to something more powerful. I'd get a Reptisun 10.0. A picture of you cham and his cage would help a lot.
 
All great advice. But i would go back to how did he get it in the first place? Did you just get him? How old is your uvb bulb? And get him to the vet. Calcium dusting will not help undo or reverse any damage, he NEEDS liquid one. Although my vet did tell me that i could use the same kind that you can buy online as long as it was calcium carbonate, but i'm not so sure about that one, phosphorous and all. But if you don't stop it now it will get alot worse quickly. Let us know what you do and how it works out for you.
 
You need to get the nutrient levels back to normal and then keep them there. Calcium, phos., vitamin A and D3 all work together for good bone health and they need to be in balance.

Dusting at most feedings with a phos.-free calcium powder, twice a month lightly with a phos.-free calcium/D3 and using a vitamin powder with a prOformed (beta carotene) source rather than a prEformed source of vitamin A as well as using a proper gutload/feeding your insects a nutritious diet, providing proper UVB (which should not pass through glass or plastic) and providing proper temperatures should balance them...but you need to provide extra calcium to get them back into line as well.

A vet is your best option for correcting the levels so that what I said above will then keep them in the right range.
 
I have had him for almost three months
cage is 2'x4
when we bought her all they said is to get a glass tall glass cage untill she gets older.
Then get vitamins and mist 2-3 times a day feed crickest and to get a day bulb. But now that I started doing reasearch I went a bought a reptilight 10.0 and bought calcium with d3. I live in Wyoming so their is no reptile vets hear nobody knows anything.
 
I didn't understand he was the only one out of my others to get mbd. He seemed to be In the best health he has grown way more than all the others. Now that I purchased the new UVB light calcium with d3 I have been gut loading the crickets and giving him vitamins once a day every day he seems to eat just as much as when I bought him. It has been a week scence I noticed that he had mbd. After I noticed witch was on Christmas:(.
I went to the pet store the next day to get calcium he seems to be getting better he doesn't shake anymore but his legs seem to be getting better Bowing wise. Thanks for the advice. If their is any other info you need just let me know I'm more than willing to post whatever anybody needs. I wish I would hav known about this site a long time ago it's nice to know that people are will to help when another chameleon owner is in need of some help.
 
You need to use a calcium without d3 at almost all feedings, then calcium with d3 twice a month or so, and vitamins (without vit A) once or twice a month. Can you post pics?
 
cage 2x4 glass screen combo
temp day 85-95at basking spot 80 towards bottom of cage.Night temp is 75 - 80.
Humidity is butween 30 and 50 never higher.
No live plants.
Dusting on crickets reptivit with out d3 and calcium with d3 every other day.(calcium with d3 in new addition). Also gets reptisafe in water
Med traffic area.
Lighting is day light and reptisun 10.0 ( new addition) and a night light. UVB light stays on for 12 hours every day.
Held 2-3 times a week. Because he doesn't mind to be handled.
He is about 4-5 months old name is Frankie.
Location Wyoming.
 
No I can all this I ls over an iPod touch my comupter suck and I don't know how to post them if I figure out what picks do you need?
 
Calcium, phos., D3 and vitamin A are the main players in bone health and need to be in balance.

D3 and prEformed vitamin A are said to be antagonistic to each other....excess prEformed vitamin A can interfere with the D3 and push the chameleon towards MBD. Calcium can't be used by the body unless there is enough D3 produced/provided....but D3 from supplements can be overdone. Exposure to UVB from direct sunlight or a proper UVB light will allow the chameleon to produce D3 and as long as the chameleon can move in and out of the UVB it shouldn't build up in the system. BTW the UVB from either source should not pass through glass or plastic. PrOformed sources of vitamin A (such as beta carotene) can not build up in the system, but there is controversy as to whether all/any chameleons can convert it so they may need some prEformed.

You said..."he has grown way more than all the others"...sometimes rapid growth can play a part in developing MBD. IMHO its easier to keep things in balance when they grow more moderately.

Here are some sites for you to read that explain most of it...
http://web.archive.org/web/20060502...rnals.com/vet/index.php?show=5.Vitamin.A.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20060421.../index.php?show=6.Vitamin.D3.and.Calcium.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/supplementation-mbd-1-a-2451/
 
Lower those temps! Basking should be around 80-85 and ambient should be around 70-ish. And stop handling him so much. Try to only handle once a week to check him over. How much do you feed him?
 
Ok thanks a lot for the info when we first bought him I was never tol about needing a ubv light but now I have one I hope it works when his bone harden will they ever be back to nomal?
 
Good information....

You've just received some good advice on the supplementation. Pictures of the set up would help us see how close the basking branches/plants are to your UVB source, etc. Pictures of Frankie would help us see his general health. That Reptisun 10.0 is going to be a good source of D3 as long as he spends enough time within it's effective range. It's a lot better to get the D3 that way. A little of the D3 provided with the calcium goes a long way. The body can't "turn it off" like it can natural D3 created through UVB light or sun. With D3 supplements, the body keeps absorbing calcium beyond it's needs and deposits the excess in crystal form in organs like the kidneys. This causes early renal failure later on in life. A great number of chameleons have had shortened life spans due to over supplementation in earlier life.

Hopefully you can figure out how to take a picture and download it to the forum. Maybe you have a "geek" friend that can help you?
 
yes keep uv light on, v important.
His legs will not get any better, best you can hope for is that they dnt get any worse. If you use all this advise theres no reason why that cant happen.
 
Basically any deformities will remain there as they cannot be reversed. He will become stronger and be able to live a more normal life with treatment to make sure that it does not become worse.
 
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