Mbd??
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Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Kian,
If he came to this forum to hurt you, why are you the one creating fights from nothing and throwing around insults everywhere? Hasek has been very behaved, even with your attacks. No one here would condone 100% veggie diets but Hasek has made no mention of any of that. From the photo, I don't see clear signs of dehydration or MBD (Hasek, can you provide a couple more photos from different angles so I can see the limbs and eyes better?). It really seems that you're the one trying to spill an argument over from another forum.
Chris
If he came to this forum to hurt you, why are you the one creating fights from nothing and throwing around insults everywhere? Hasek has been very behaved, even with your attacks. No one here would condone 100% veggie diets but Hasek has made no mention of any of that. From the photo, I don't see clear signs of dehydration or MBD (Hasek, can you provide a couple more photos from different angles so I can see the limbs and eyes better?). It really seems that you're the one trying to spill an argument over from another forum.
Chris
Chill out
Wow, there is a lot of bitterness in this thread,a little philosophical: Does one really find it nessessary to justify and defend ones self to a computer world full of virtual people who are anonymous, over confident and whom you will probably never meet? This is a place to bounce information off each other and every one should already have the knowledge that information on the internet is mostly incorrect. If someone wrong correct them. We don't need to be pet bashing, or language bashing. Some of us speak multitude of languages and are not exactly linguists in any of them so give is a break when the English we write can be interpreted a thousand ways.
Wow, there is a lot of bitterness in this thread,a little philosophical: Does one really find it nessessary to justify and defend ones self to a computer world full of virtual people who are anonymous, over confident and whom you will probably never meet? This is a place to bounce information off each other and every one should already have the knowledge that information on the internet is mostly incorrect. If someone wrong correct them. We don't need to be pet bashing, or language bashing. Some of us speak multitude of languages and are not exactly linguists in any of them so give is a break when the English we write can be interpreted a thousand ways.
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
He looks great to me too.
No visible signs of dehydration or MBD.
I'm curious, what led you to think he might have MBD?
-Brad
No visible signs of dehydration or MBD.
I'm curious, what led you to think he might have MBD?
-Brad
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
The veil on a male can range from 2 to 4 inches depending on the cham.
A better indication of MBD would be if the casque feels soft or rubbery rather than it's overall height.
-Brad
A better indication of MBD would be if the casque feels soft or rubbery rather than it's overall height.
-Brad
Mellany...You said..."Wow, there is a lot of bitterness in this thread,a little philosophical: Does one really find it nessessary to justify and defend ones self to a computer world full of virtual people who are anonymous, over confident and whom you will probably never meet? This is a place to bounce information off each other and every one should already have the knowledge that information on the internet is mostly incorrect"...if that is the case and you assume that most information is incorrect, what is the point of even posting here? If we just allow information to be posted and nobody questions it, then how does anyone know what is right or wrong? It just like the example of the paper that came out saying that if you didn't mate your veiled female when she reached sexual maturity that she would die eggbound. I don't recall anyone refuting it when it first came out and maybe if they had/could have, that fallacy wouldn't still be around today.
You said..."If someone wrong correct them"...to determine what is right or wrong, sometimes it is necessary to ask where the information came from and to ask for the person to validate it....which is part of what was going on here.
You said..."We don't need to be pet bashing, or language bashing. Some of us speak multitude of languages and are not exactly linguists in any of them so give is a break when the English we write can be interpreted a thousand ways"..the bashing is not necessary and neither are the comments about the language. There are people from all different counties here...and if there is some doubt about what the person says due to the language barrier, asking for clarification is IMHO the best solution. Bashing is not necessary IMHO...it defeats the learning and the discussion.
You said..."If someone wrong correct them"...to determine what is right or wrong, sometimes it is necessary to ask where the information came from and to ask for the person to validate it....which is part of what was going on here.
You said..."We don't need to be pet bashing, or language bashing. Some of us speak multitude of languages and are not exactly linguists in any of them so give is a break when the English we write can be interpreted a thousand ways"..the bashing is not necessary and neither are the comments about the language. There are people from all different counties here...and if there is some doubt about what the person says due to the language barrier, asking for clarification is IMHO the best solution. Bashing is not necessary IMHO...it defeats the learning and the discussion.
Fate X
New Member
no one wants to admit they did wrong or did something wrong because they see it as a sign of weakness.and it might not be something really wrong.
like when i almost fried fireball that was all on me.i almost killed her on the 2-3 day, but she was clinging on to life ,still amongst the living now.and lucky getting egg bind . because i just started learning chameleon stuff 1 year ago.
the thing is you know if you did something wrong,you know for a fact if was because of you now a chameleon is sick or burning up in agonizing pain that you caused it ,that you instigated the situation and its your fault.
like when i almost fried fireball that was all on me.i almost killed her on the 2-3 day, but she was clinging on to life ,still amongst the living now.and lucky getting egg bind . because i just started learning chameleon stuff 1 year ago.
the thing is you know if you did something wrong,you know for a fact if was because of you now a chameleon is sick or burning up in agonizing pain that you caused it ,that you instigated the situation and its your fault.
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Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
Sorry, I don't see positive evidence from those pictures of MBD.
Perhaps he had it but from those pics I see normal bones and fat and muscle.
The legs appear straight to me.
-Brad
Perhaps he had it but from those pics I see normal bones and fat and muscle.
The legs appear straight to me.
-Brad
Here is how Hasek's chameleon's legs look like: (don't you see the curve?)
And this is how healthy chameleon's legs look like: (no curve)
Pictures copyright to http://www.bluebeastreptile.com/ - Will Hayward.
And this is how healthy chameleon's legs look like: (no curve)
Pictures copyright to http://www.bluebeastreptile.com/ - Will Hayward.
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
Hasek,
Was your chameleon, in fact, diagnosed with MBD?
and if so was the diagnosis made by a vet?
-Brad
Was your chameleon, in fact, diagnosed with MBD?
and if so was the diagnosis made by a vet?
-Brad
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Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
Beni,
What MBD looks like: http://www.adcham.com/html/veterinary/mbd-fractures-kramer.html
As far as I can tell what you keep showing on Haseks Chameleon is fat and muscle. The bones do not seem crooked to me.
Did you ever see this cham in real life?
-Brad
What MBD looks like: http://www.adcham.com/html/veterinary/mbd-fractures-kramer.html
As far as I can tell what you keep showing on Haseks Chameleon is fat and muscle. The bones do not seem crooked to me.
Did you ever see this cham in real life?
-Brad
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
All I see in those photos is muscle form and shape. The photos you've used as a reference are younger animals with less muscle definition due to their age and size. If you look at large chameleons like a big adult parsonii, you'll see the same limb shape as Hasek's photos and this is a result of their muscle tone. I do not see any evidence for MBD in this animal. If the limbs are misshapen, it is very slight and not evident in the photos. The casque is well formed, the jaws are perfect and the spine is shaped correctly. Looks like a healthy animal to me.
Chris
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