Male panther will mount, but not mate

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Well, my boyfriend and I decided to mate our two rather small panther chameleons. I was planning to wait until she showed receptive colors, but I wasn't sure what they would look like on a high orange female sambava. We decided to show them to eachother to gauge her reaction and she puffed up a little in her cage, and he immediatly got defensive, so we tried in his free range. She ended up climbing to an area where he could not reach her and he wasn't interested anyways. I put them on a bed with some vines to hold on to and he finally realized she was a sexy lady and started ticking his head as she slowly walked away from him. He continued towards her and mounted her (and then they climbed on my hand, picture below!) after a few minutes of hanging out on her back he got off, walked about a foot away, saw her again, and mounted once more. He did this over and over again and would not actually mate with her. She's being a lovely lady and he's being a noob.

What can I do to make him get the big picture? He didn't even stick his peepees out! Thanks!



I was really afraid he would rub his boy parts on my hand in this picture and my boyfriend was laughing really hard and took a pic.

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Well being in the same room and trying to hold them while in the process might be a big reason why there not finishing the job. Give it a couple of days and try puttting the male in the females cage and LEAVE THEM ALONE, they know what there doing. Just peep your eyes in every so often to make sure theres no fighting etc..
 
Put them back in the free range and let them be for a while may be he is a little overwhelmed with all the stimulation around (your boyfriend,yourself and the camera) now he knows shes around he will look for her. Just check on them. May be he needs a couple attempts to figure it out :rolleyes:
 
You didnt say how long you left them on there trees. Like others stated its their first time. So give them time and space they will eventually do the deed. It took my faly all day one saturday for him to figure out what to do.
 
He leaves sperm plugs. I didn't pick them up. She crawled on my hand and I wasn't sure how to get them off. They were left alone for the whole day in both the cage and free range, but they haven't mated. He also takes the females basking spot while in her cage. The only time he mounted was on the bed, and we couldn't exactly leave them alone for a day on the bed. I don't want to have to go searching at the end of the day. The girl is awesome and is willing, but my boy is a noob and can't figure it out. Plus sometimes he gets defensive with her (though he's a lame-o, and if she calls his bluff and gets closer he walks away.)
 
Is there no hope for my poor inexperienced boy? Dos anyone have any tips or tricks to make him figure it out/motivated?
 
How old is the female?
The picture is a bit blurry, but it doesn't look like she has receptive coloration.

As for the male, some males know what do do the first time, others need a little "practice".
It is also a possibility, that he may have recognized that she isn't fully receptive yet, so he didn't proceed any further.
 
He will get the idea eventualy, I had the same problem with my male, he got it after a few days. Try opening both their cages and put the cages face to face, sorta like your joining the 2 cages to make 1. Hopefuly the cages are close to the same size, they might feel a bit more comfortable.
 
My male doesn't have a cage. The female is 15 months old and free fed as she is a little small, but she has never laid a clutch. What does a high orange female sambava look like when they are receptive? She's been a teeny bit more pink than usual but is still her usual old orange self.
 
pssh said:
My male doesn't have a cage. The female is 15 months old and free fed as she is a little small, but she has never laid a clutch. What does a high orange female sambava look like when they are receptive? She's been a teeny bit more pink than usual but is still her usual old orange self.
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There whole bodies will turn a pinkish sherbert color. You will know when you see it.
 
pssh said:
My male doesn't have a cage. The female is 15 months old and free fed as she is a little small, but she has never laid a clutch. What does a high orange female sambava look like when they are receptive? She's been a teeny bit more pink than usual but is still her usual old orange self.
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You literally don't have your male caged... EVER??? Panthers are known to wander... :eek:

Anyways...

"High orange female" is just a state of color at the time.

Some females will show a really nice color at a younger age... And then grow up to look like a regular female. Some females will show nice peach colors, little blue dots, some red speckles, but that's it. They all end up looking the same.


When she is receptive, you will be impressed, believe me! Sometimes you'll get a female in just a sexy pink outfit, other times you will get to witness a pink female with purple dots!!! :cool:

The best way to tell the difference between female panthers are name tags! :p

Or personalities...:rolleyes:
 
Well she's a nice pink-peach color with yellow and red-pink? Sometimes she has red bars? I've never seen a female that looks like her, not even the other 'high orange' girls as juvi's or adults. Normally she's peachy-orange with dark orange or brown bars. She has well defined bars (unlike other females i've seen) like a male and a nice red-pink chin. She doesn't have her normal colors, but I wouldn't say she is fully pink and/or purple.

If she weren't receptive would she let him mount at all? She's a runt and won't seem to grow at all (so is my male) and both are about half the size of normal panthers and no longer continue to gain weight even though they are free fed. After speaking to several breeders we decided to attempt to mate them, but now I'm thinking they may be messed up internally or have something wrong with them that only other chameleons can sense? Poop :( blah. Maybe we just have freaks.


Yes, he free ranges 24/7 and he has wandered a total of two times in about 5 months. He usually just climbs up these metal vine things by my couch until I come sit by him, then he walks over to me and onto my hand. The second time I watched him do it from across the room and he wandered to a different room after a visit to the vines. He will occationally come visit me or a friend/boyfriend when we sit on my couches by him. I think he expects to be fed by one of use three :) he just hangs out and get a treat before going back home. He gets natural sunlight as part of his free range is by a window, so he basks in the morning, gets water from a large dropper allll day long plus a few listings for his skin and eyes and some manual dropper drinking when he is willing, and is free fed bugs. It's approximately 10x4x4. Why would he want to leave other than for a lady? :)
 
She would let him mount if she were receptive. She wouldn't freak out if she were really young (sexually)...

I'm not going to pursue the conv. on the free range idea. I have never agreed with it. So that's that.

Hope your pair will eventually make it! :) Keep the updates coming. :)
 
Your female doesn't necessarily look receptive. When she is receptive you will know it. They seem to glow when receptive and possibly that is why the male isn't interested. Just my 2 cents.
 

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To me she always looks like she is glowing. She's usually brighter than my male and all other females that I've ever seen. Blah.

Her bars don't look anything like your females'. Is that odd?
 
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