male Panther and Veiled next door neighbors

[BocaJan]

I have my two adult males in their outside cages and because of the season I have to have their two 2x2x4 ft cages next to each other to catch rays. They are both well planted and they catch sun about 6-8 hours out of the day with some shade on parts of the cages. A great spot, but we have a small patio and I can only put the cages next to each other.

So, my question is, can the two be ok since they aren't both the same species?

 

[mikadoflyer]

visual barrier between both cages like a piece of cardboard. it shouldn't be any different than housing 2 chameleons next to each other indoors. surely you should know this .

 

[Tweaked tC]

visual barrier between both cages like a piece of cardboard. it shouldn't be any different than housing 2 chameleons next to each other indoors. surely you should know this .

yea, thats my thoughts too. i figured you'd be giving advice about this as opposed to asking for it Jan.

 

[BocaJan]

Shirley may know that but I am asking the question if they need to have a visual barrier because they are different species. Cardboard won't work outside, but I won't have a problem putting a barrier between them if needed. I'll see what Shirley says. Anyone else have an opinion?

 

[Tweaked tC]

Shirley may know that but I am asking the question if they need to have a visual barrier because they are different species. Cardboard won't work outside, but I won't have a problem putting a barrier between them if needed. I'll see what Shirley says. Anyone else have an opinion?

I would just get a tarp and cut it to create the barrier, shouldnt be too hard to get it to fit up the way you want

 

[BocaJan]

LOL...I guess I am not all knowing. Just thought I'd ask. I always put a barrier between my veileds, male/male..male/female..and female/female. As far as they know they are the only one in my house. I recently got the panthers and didn't know if I now could go by different rules.

 

[mikadoflyer]

Shirley may know that but I am asking the question if they need to have a visual barrier because they are different species. Cardboard won't work outside, but I won't have a problem putting a barrier between them if needed. I'll see what Shirley says. Anyone else have an opinion?

they WILL need a visual barrier. even though they aren't the same species, they will still see the other as a threat and stress them out. you can use a big black hefty garden trash bag as a barrier.

 

[Dean Pulcini]

I guess the best thing would be to find a material that lets the light through like what they use in nurseries.

 

[UrbanChameleon]

I went to Walmart and bought the sheets painter's throw on the floor before painting. It's honestly just a giant black sheet. The same material as a garbage bag. It works great! Getting wet isn't an issue, it's not see-through, and I can cut it just right. I just taped it (you might want to secure it differently if outside) to my male Veiled's cage and.. wa-la! Done. Much better than cardboard.

 

[pssh]

Yeah, I would go ahead and put one up. My Male veiled thinks that green/blue panthers are females and goes crazy for them. One time he got to one and tried to mount him. I found the escaped veiled on the free range of the panther. He was mighty mad when he realized that his "lady" was not a lady at all and nipped the panther's tail. He had a slight bruise, but all was good except for a couple of hurt egos!

 

[BocaJan]

I brought the veiled in the house until I have a divider set up tomorrow. Thank you all for your ideas.

 

[JRchameleons]

I keep barriers between all my cages, but one time the curtain between my big male veiled and my male ambilobe panther fell down (dang cats), and I came home to find my male panther as dark as he could possibly be, cowering in the opposite corner of his cage. I had never seen him like that. Needless to say, I put the curtain back up and it was almost instant relief.

 

[absolutbill]

I just saw this thread but wanted to chime in. I lost my 4 year old panther because he became stressed at his baby veiled neighbor. I didn't think it was a problem because a. they were different species, and b. the veiled was only 6 weeks old when he arrived. The panther never showed his stress until it was far too late, and even a vet trip and force feeding didn't help. Just my 2 cents, but I don't want anyone to ever go through that.

Michelle

 

[ataraxia]

For what it is worth..None of my outdoor enclosures have visual barriers jacksons to veileds to panthers..all of the males can see each other and i have yet to see any repercussions to this.

 

[Olimpia]

I just wanted to correct (because my boyfriend is French and I can practically hear him dramatically sighing in my head) that it's voilà, not wa-la.

 

[Chris Jury]

It's always possible to get unexpected peaceful coexistance, but both of these species are commonly aggressive towards members of other species. For example, field work with some introduced Veiled on Maui (the invasion looks under control, thankfully) found that they were highly aggressive toward the already established Jackson's chameleons. It's possible that they'd ignore each other, but subtle, not-at-all-obvious communication between the two could result in undue stress to one or both of them. Best to visually separate them IMHO.

cj

 

[skittles1234]

About the barrier!! I use cardboard that i place inside of a hefty bag and tape up with packaging tape. it is safe inside the bag and won't mold or melt and when the divider gets dirty just spray it off. Cheap and effective!!!