jacksons in hawaii
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VeiledKarma
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They are avid swimmers. 
No but really, chameleons were introduced to hawaii florida and california by humans.
No but really, chameleons were introduced to hawaii florida and california by humans.
The jackson's chameleons came there a long time ago...a shipment was released to someone's yard and resulted in the population that is there now...
http://web.archive.org/web/20060501023247/http://www.adcham.com/html/ecology/hawaii-ko.html
http://entophile.com/2009/10/28/jacksons-chameleons-killers-of-hawaii-insects-and-snails/
http://www.hear.org/alienspeciesinhawaii/waringreports/chameleon.htm
Damage...
http://entophile.com/2010/01/05/fir...leons-feeding-on-hawaiian-insects-and-snails/
Exporting...
http://hawaiideptland.custhelp.com/.../std_adp.php?p_faqid=244&p_created=1024693793
http://web.archive.org/web/20060501023247/http://www.adcham.com/html/ecology/hawaii-ko.html
http://entophile.com/2009/10/28/jacksons-chameleons-killers-of-hawaii-insects-and-snails/
http://www.hear.org/alienspeciesinhawaii/waringreports/chameleon.htm
Damage...
http://entophile.com/2010/01/05/fir...leons-feeding-on-hawaiian-insects-and-snails/
Exporting...
http://hawaiideptland.custhelp.com/.../std_adp.php?p_faqid=244&p_created=1024693793
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VeiledChams
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They are avid swimmers.
Wild Jacksons in Florida??
So you mean I can go out and search for a wild Jacksons in my backyard? If anyone knows of this please let me know, I'd love to spend a weekend hunting for these
krknieriem
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I was reading something earlier about all the evasive species in florida, I think someone should let a bunch of different panther locales loose down there and after a couple years when their genes get intertwined we will have a new locale we can name......lol
VeiledChams
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Would be a cool idea, but in a controlled area that can be taken care of and that it would have no lasting impact on the native species. The problem with the burmese and african rock pythons here is TERRIBLE. They are being found everywhere and its scary because they are destroying the natural wildlife. It'd be awesome to see panthers, veileds and even parsons climbing through the trees in my backyard, but it sucks that it impacts the native species in so many negative ways.
krknieriem
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I was reading something where in southern Florida they were finding king cobras and in some lakes people caught piranha. I would think if you took pairs of all the locales it would take somewhere between 50 to 100 years before you had enough cross breeding to mix it up, but then again Im no expert, however that would be a neat experiment to run. Sorry to hijack the thread, is my understanding of why panthers are not allowed to be imported to hawaii is because of this very reason
I'm sure that they don't want any more invasive species in Hawaii for some of the reasons listed here...
"Veiled chameleons are of concern because of their reproductive capacity, their ability to prey upon native Hawaiian birds and insects, and their adaptability (they are able to tolerate living in areas that vary from dry sea level elevation, to very wet montane areas, up to 12,000 feet elevation). Ecologically, they can function like brown tree snakes."...
http://www.hawaiiinvasivespecies.org/pests/veiledchameleon.html
Invasive species and species that are released on purpose by people and even native species that are re-located can all cause irreparable damage and extinction of other species.
Invasive species threaten native plants, animals and ecosystems, as well as impacting agricultural ecosystems and other human activity. They compete with native species for food. They often lack natural predators so they increase rapidly in numbers.
Re-located animals can cause territorial disputes and bring in diseases that the animals in that area already can't handle.
When I was young the spring-fed lake we had a cottage on was full of small mouth bass. In the river below the beaver dam there were pike. Someone decided that they would like to fish for both species in the lake instead of having to go down to the river to get pike...so they moved some pike eggs up to the lake. In a few years there were no more small mouth bass...but lots of pike.
IMHO there are enough species that get spread by accident without doing it on purpose.
"Veiled chameleons are of concern because of their reproductive capacity, their ability to prey upon native Hawaiian birds and insects, and their adaptability (they are able to tolerate living in areas that vary from dry sea level elevation, to very wet montane areas, up to 12,000 feet elevation). Ecologically, they can function like brown tree snakes."...
http://www.hawaiiinvasivespecies.org/pests/veiledchameleon.html
Invasive species and species that are released on purpose by people and even native species that are re-located can all cause irreparable damage and extinction of other species.
Invasive species threaten native plants, animals and ecosystems, as well as impacting agricultural ecosystems and other human activity. They compete with native species for food. They often lack natural predators so they increase rapidly in numbers.
Re-located animals can cause territorial disputes and bring in diseases that the animals in that area already can't handle.
When I was young the spring-fed lake we had a cottage on was full of small mouth bass. In the river below the beaver dam there were pike. Someone decided that they would like to fish for both species in the lake instead of having to go down to the river to get pike...so they moved some pike eggs up to the lake. In a few years there were no more small mouth bass...but lots of pike.
IMHO there are enough species that get spread by accident without doing it on purpose.
krknieriem
New Member
Kinyonga I was just joking lol but I wonder how much harm a couple panthers would cause, Its not like Florida doesnt have enough bugs to go around for all its species, but then again I know nobody wants to deal with something like they are in the Mississippi where those jumping carp are jumping into the boats
The trouble is that 2 panthers (if a male and female pair) won't stay as two. Their capacity to reproduce will increase their population fairly quickly. If the female produced even 4 clutches of 20 and 75% of them survived, you would have 60 more at the end of one year. If 15 of them were female, in a year they (16 now) each could each produce 60 babies that survive (960+).
Not only that, whatever germs/parasites the chameleons had in them/with them could be passed to other animals in the wild that preyed upon them or otherwise came in contact with them or their feces, etc. and if their immune system of the native animal couldn't handle those germs/parasites it could cause a lot of problems. The chameleons may be showing no problems/symptoms from whatever parasites/bacteria they have and yet the native creatures might.
One human example...
http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm
Invasive species in Hawaii...destroying habitat, spreading disease...
http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2011/01/hogs-gone-wild.html
http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2011/01/hogs-gone-wild.html
Not only that, whatever germs/parasites the chameleons had in them/with them could be passed to other animals in the wild that preyed upon them or otherwise came in contact with them or their feces, etc. and if their immune system of the native animal couldn't handle those germs/parasites it could cause a lot of problems. The chameleons may be showing no problems/symptoms from whatever parasites/bacteria they have and yet the native creatures might.
One human example...
http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm
Invasive species in Hawaii...destroying habitat, spreading disease...
http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2011/01/hogs-gone-wild.html
http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2011/01/hogs-gone-wild.html
