jacksons female ready to mate??

[chamfriend1]

what is there to look for to know if a female Jackson's is ready to mate?? are there certain colors, actions, behaviors, or anything that is obviously different than normal that will allow me to know for sure or is it pretty much a guessing game with them being live bearers???

 

[bobcochran]

If you have a male they'll let you know. If your female is young she's probably
green with some dark marbling unless she's really warm. When sexually mature she will most likely become a lighter more vibrant green, especially when in the presence of the male. You can check by allowing them to see each other, if she turns dark and gapes at the male she's not ready.

 

[chamfriend1]

Unless she's really warm?? if I understood that correctly.. she is normally a light/med green as an adult unless she is "too" warm???
if that's the case.. would the male show the same signs of too much heat??
she's at least a year old and goes light green at night and turns the green/dark marbled as you stated during the day... the male however is a much lighter green with blue and yellow highlights around his head and body... he has recently started turning a darker green dark marbling (like the female).. that was the reason for the question originally... thought maybe he was ready and wanted to know what to look for in her...
enclosure for both stays around 85 during the day... too much??? humidity raises as far up as 75% and I allow it to drop to about 25% - 30% before the mister kicks back on...
any suggestions with that info...

 

[CarlC]

Is she always the dark marbled green?

Carl

 

[chamfriend1]

I have 2 18" double light fixtures for heat and light.. each unit has 2 15" florescent bulbs and one center spot (halogen) light... after looking at your response I removed one of the spots.. the temp seemed to drop to mid to high 70's..
she seems to like to sit on the very top directly beneath one of the spot lights... knowing this is where she likes to sit... the light directly above her spot is the one I removed...
she does go pure green at night.. and I'm generally at work wen the lights come on so I really don't know when or how fast her color changes...
still has the dark marbled color you were describing... maybe need to give her a few days to see if there is a change???

and sorry... yes to your question... she seems to keep the dark color most of the day...

 

[CarlC]

I think I remember from a previous thread you have the male and female housed together correct? If so you are seeing the marbled color because she is stressed. The nicer green colors you see at night you should also be seeing during the day. She could already be gravid.

Carl

 

[Chris Anderson]

Unless she's really warm?? if I understood that correctly.. she is normally a light/med green as an adult unless she is "too" warm???
if that's the case.. would the male show the same signs of too much heat??
she's at least a year old and goes light green at night and turns the green/dark marbled as you stated during the day... the male however is a much lighter green with blue and yellow highlights around his head and body... he has recently started turning a darker green dark marbling (like the female).. that was the reason for the question originally... thought maybe he was ready and wanted to know what to look for in her...
enclosure for both stays around 85 during the day... too much??? humidity raises as far up as 75% and I allow it to drop to about 25% - 30% before the mister kicks back on...
any suggestions with that info...

As Carl said, based on your previous posts (see this post: https://www.chameleonforums.com/trioceros-laterispinis-138026/#post1184461), you appear to be keeping your pair of T. jacksonii in the same enclosure. At the risk of being called arrogant again for suggesting that it really is best to keep the vast majority of Trioceros species, and species from similar genera, individually (again, see aforementioned post), I will point out that the reason you are seeing dark green coloration with dark marble patterns during the day and light coloration at night in your female, and now male, is more than likely stress from cohabitation. With the female it may be because she is already gravid, but in any event, it is indicative of the fact that you should rethink continuing to house them together.

Chris

 

[chamfriend1]

Carl...
yes they are both housed together... and have been pretty much since the day I brought them home (which is been almost 2 years now) and the dark colors (with the female only) have only been recently... but I can see accept how it is possible if the color change in her only could be a combination of both issues... I believe also you were the one whom mentioned stress issues that are biological and not visual... I do take them both to the vet about once a month for a "check up" (for lack of better term) and do not ever remember the vet taking blood.. or even mentioning that... to check for those issues... I will need to remember to have him do that next time we go... however in the mean time (until I can get my new enclosure built) I am making a divider to split the house in half.. that will give both a 2x2x4 house...think that will work for now???

Chris...
I really didn't feel a need to respond to your other elegant (yet insulting) comments in the other thread... but beings how you popped up here... I think I will...
First off, understand what was said is not the insulting part... its in the way you approached it and stated your comments...
To begin with.. I have absolutely no idea where you got the idea I was saying YOU were arrogant... the original comment was "those who insist on there only being black and white yes and no answers to particular situations are arrogant in their thinking" (may not be the exact wording but same message).. that was not pointed at anyone in particular or to any specific situation... so if you took that as a personal assault then you read too much into what I said... the statement had nothing to do with you or what you had messaged...
As far as your statement of me doing my housing as I did as a "personal experience rather than taking the well being of the chameleon into consideration".. extremely uncalled for statement (mainly because you have no idea who I am or what my reasoning was) and so far from the truth... I always take my animals well being in mind first and foremost... did I actually say "this is what I did and you should do it too because its a cool personal experience"?? I'll need to read my post again.. but I don't think I said that... nor did I even imply it..
There is a reason I started my message with "take this for what its worth... in MY experience with MY Jacksons....." In the plain English that clearly means "this statement is not to be taken as the gospel nor do I think I know more than others.. this is MY experiences with MY Jacksons"... so your over emphasized explanation of your own experiences and expertise was not really needed or called for....
I fully understand am aware the species I chose are one of the easiest to care for... and I chose these simply because I have (as you so elegantly pointed out) no countable experience at this at all... and I don't have a PhD... so I did chose a relatively easy one to begin with on purpose.. however I don't believe that entitles anyone to make belittling comments to how much experience someone does or does not have just because they has more.. I am learning as I go... just like most have to do.. and have made mistakes.. fortunately none of my mistakes have been fatal to my chams.. and other than the issue that started this thread.. have seemed to have pretty decent success in taking care of them...they grew like they were supposed to.. vet looks at them at least once a month and they seem to be quite healthy...

Now with that said (and off my chest)... I am more than willing to listen and learn to anyone who is willing to teach, advise, or simply just suggest any ideas (without sounding condescending) that would help with my situations... whatever the situation may be... there is always something new to learn..no matter the situation or area of study... so if you would like to suggest anything for me that would enhance their care (already working on present issue) in the future... I welcome your input and ideas...

 

[fluxlizard]

If they have been together that long- if she is mottled only recently maybe she is pregnant and no longer so tolerant of the male.

 

[chamfriend1]

fluxlizard...
come to think of it she did just finish shedding about 2-3 weeks ago...which is about when the dark colors started... I never thought of that.. figured she was just shedding again..
Could this also explain why the males color never changed...??
So would it be best to get her her own completely separate house or just do the divider to split the current enclosure as I mentioned?? right now they have a 4'x4'x2' home.. if I split it right down the middle that should still give each one a pretty good size area for their own...
If she is pregnant.. is there a way for me to know by looking or do I need to make a visit to the vet for verification?? And are there any special needs she will have now other than the usual???
thanx for the input... like I said.. never even thought of that... any suggestions or advise would be greatly appreciated and welcomed...