Jackson actiing sttange

[tattooistchameleon]

She's not eating well and is staying real low on my hand she was acting disoriented and fell and rolled twice then stuck her back in cage and she climbed to the bottom super fast!

 

[Elizadolots]

Hi!

I think you would benefit from filling out the HOW TO ASK FOR HELP form.

Just click that link, copy, paste into a reply and add your information.

Please be as specific as possible. Brand names for things like lights and supplement are surprisingly important. The description of fecal matter should be explicit: what does the poop look like.

Pictures are good. Take a picture of the poop if you can, we won't be grossed out, we've seen loads of chameleon poop.

 

[xanthoman]

i might add there are so many different products with similar sounding names, so be sure to list your products by their full specific names as written on the container. kind of hard to evaluate them when you dont know what they are. jmo ps i might add, that without seeing your help form, if i had to take a wild guess. i would say too many supps of one form or another. i mean the issue is almost certainly the cause. ive dealt with a lot of jacksons email, and i dont even think ive ever seen one where imo, the evidence didnt indicate too many supps so based on that, i would just discontinue any supps until you get the help form posted jmo,

 

[tattooistchameleon]

Humidity 80 mistaking system , calcium plus bug Burger and carrots with reptile fuel uvb reprising 5,0 18 x 36 screen DIY 40 Watt basking regular bulb live umbrella pothos fluker vine calcium d3 2 times a month

 

[xanthoman]

theres a hard way for everything

Humidity 80 mistaking system , calcium plus bug Burger see this is exactly what i am talking about. as far as i know there is no product called "calcium plus bug burger" does this mean you are talking about "Repashy Bug Burger"? does this mean you are talkng about "repashy calcium plus"? does this mean you are talking about mixing "plain calcium" plus "Repashy Bug Burger"? does this mean you are talking about mixing Repashy Calcium Plus" with Repashy Bug Burger ?does this mean that you feed repashy "Calcium Plus" to your feeders? cause imo, that would generally be bad! understand that plain "calcium" is an entirely different product than "Repashy Calcium Plus" and so is "Calcium with D3"
and carrots with reptile fuel. are you talking about "Dino Fuel"? who makes this fuel? manufacturer name? what is the exact product called as written on the label.? are you talking about feeding the carrots to your feeders? is it mixed in with whatever this calcium formula of your is? what are the proportions of this calcium formula? how much do you feed to how many feeders how often? (all stuff that would be asked on the entire help form had you filled it out like we asked). uvb reprising 5,0 ive probably dealt with hundreds of post and emails in regards to uvb lighting and i have no clue as to what "uvb reprising" means? obviously its a 5.0 uvb but who makes it? how old is it? is it linear or cfl? did you buy it new? what are your distances?what kind of reflector is it in ? how do you measure your temps? specifically what do you urates look like? 18 x 36 screen whats your cage placement? a little small but not as important as how its setup. DIY 40 Watt basking regular bulb regular could mean a lot of things specifically what is the bulb? what are your distances?, placement and schedules?.what are your temps throughout the cage? live umbrella are you talking about an umbrella plant (schefflerra) or a pothos, as far as i know there is no "umbrella pothos" but im not a pothos person so i wouldnt really know.pothos fluker vine calcium d3 2 times a month, how much calcium for how many feeders? all manufacturers dont necessarily have the same potency of calcium with d3. how we supposed to figure this out if you dont give us the information so that we know what it is, if you truly want help you would likely get better results if you actually made an effort. i would ask that you repost and copy and paste the entire help form as previously requested , fill it out in detail listing all product and supplements one at a time by their manufacturer name and then the product name exactly as written on the bottle. only then can we look them up to see what their nutritional values are , how else are we supposed to do that, guess? if you can post pics of your urates and setup that would probably help a lot. the more specific info you can give the more likely you are to recieve the help you need , but understand that a cham can slip into an irreversable state in a matter of days so i wouldnt screw around with it if you want to save it you will need to do what you need to do, when you need to do it , if you want my help, the first thing you will need to do is repost using the entire help form and filling it out properly

well, at least you made it easy for us, imo, you have been on the forum long enough to know why all the info is required and why it needs to be specific. jmo

 

[xanthoman]

theres a hard way for everything

you know, without even seeing your help form, i can tell you that this is a metabollic issue brought on by whatever this calcium plus/reptile fuel combination is . i can tell you right now that my recommendation is going to include getting rid of this reptile fuel, its probably going to include stopping any Calcium Plus until you have a better plan. it wiil likely suggest an entire overhaul of most of your husbandry jmo,

 

[Captive Creations]

I have attached The how to ask for help form that you were asked to fill out. as Xanthoman said it is best if you complete this form entirely so the experienced keepers can help figure out whats wrong with your chameleon. you must care about your chameleon or you wouldn't be asking for help. This is the best way to find out what the problem is. JMO I hope you get this filled out and someone can help get your chameleon husbandry back on track.


Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.


Pictures are helpful

 

[tkilgour]

What is this "reptile Fuel" you mention. If you mean DinoFuel, then that will only aid in the health of the animal as it is a 100% organic gutload. The ingredients are super foods so it could help your poor chams situation. However, correct husbandry all around is crucial! You can Pm me for further information as I must discuss outside the public forum.

 

[kinyonga]

What's in the supplements and gutloading foods you are using in the way of phos., calcium, D3 and vitamin A?
What source of UVB light are you using and is there any glass or plastic between it and the chameleon?
What's the temperature in the cage? Basking temperature?

 

[tattooistchameleon]

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? 5 months jackson
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? once or twice a day
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?Crickets are her primary diet i premix repeshy calcium plus and dinofuel. i gutload with bug burger carrots and dinofuel and twice a month i use d3 and reptivite they all eat at 1130 am from cups everyday i put 8 to 10 1/4 size crickets and often a couple silks and treats are pheonix worms and meal worms every coulple of days
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?repeshy 1st and 15th for d3
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?mistking 4 times a day 2 minute intrevels and yes i see her drinking
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?dark turds and white droppings attached no they have never been tested for parasites their not wild caught they are all cb
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?18x36 dyi cage screen
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?reptisun 5.0 and 60 watt basking
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?temps are around 85 under basking 75 everywhere else and at night 65 is the lowest it gets
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?60 to 80 humidifier and mistking
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?pothos, umbrella and heartleaf phl. and snake vera type plant
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?it sits 2 feet of floor its near cieling fan but rarely used and its by an air vent not high traffic area .
Location - Where are you geographically located? kansas city

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
looks like she is siezeing!

 

[tkilgour]

I didn't read it all, but if you are using repashy calcium plus, dinofuel, and bug burger that is fine. However, I wouldn't think you need the extra calcium w/ d3 or herptivite. JMO Repashy Calcium Plus has it all and takes all the guess work out of it. Also, do you gutload with fresh, organic greens, like Kale, collard greens, mustard greens, and dandelion leaves. I like these greens as my staples and I also use a crushed nuts and seed mixes dusted w/ DinoFuel. I find with such a rich diet I can supplement far less.

 

[tattooistchameleon]

I've been using carrots and the bug Burger but i have greens and squash in the fridge for them . On a bright note I saw her eat 2 silks and drink so hopefully she will get better

 

[tkilgour]

I hope she does get better for you. I can tell you care dearly for that animal. I would just cut back on supplements and focus on healthy gutloads and use repashy calcium plus. You can stop using reptivite calcium d3 and herptivite. JMO. Good luck and best wishes.

 

[tattooistchameleon]

Cool thanks Tom !

 

[tkilgour]

I am sure others will have their opinions, but at least I could offer a little help.

 

[tattooistchameleon]

I'm on my phone is why it's bad punctuation sorry everyone !

 

[xanthoman]

What is this "reptile Fuel" you mention. If you mean DinoFuel, then that will only aid in the health of the animal as it is a 100% organic gutload. The ingredients are super foods so it could help your poor chams situation. However, correct husbandry all around is crucial! You can Pm me for further information as I must discuss outside the public forum.

ill admit i have never seen a nutritional breakdown of this product. but just because something is organic does not make it a good food choice, waxworms, mushrooms, goitrogenic vegetables, sugars, aposomatic feeders, even poisonous feeders, all organic, all bad. human grade does not necessarily make it good either, potato chips and snickers bars are human grade, that doesnt make them good cham food choices.

without an explanation, "superfood" could mean anything, but it implies vitamin enhanced. imo, thats where the problems start. imo, chams dont need superfood in fact imo, superfoods/supervitamins is the cause of most of the metabolic health issues on the forum (not necessarily referring to your product). imo, what chams need is a well balanced and varied diet of well chosen feeders and very little vitamin/calcium input. jmo. if you care to post its content i will be glad to offer my opinion of it or if you prefer you may submit its nutritional analysis in private and i will hold its contents as private, but i cannot guaranty that i will hold my opinion of it as private. further since some cham health issues can take years to manifest themselves imo this product has not been out long enough with a wide enough usage base to be properly evaluated on a track record basis. thats not to say that its not a good or viable product, but of all of the successful xanth keepers i have known, i have never known one to use,need, or want any kind of "superfood"

the only way to know when, if, or how much of it with what, is appropriate to use, is to know its full nutritional analysis including Ca and vitamin values, jmo.

i have been to the dino fuel website but imo, the nutritional info leaves out the most important part, what is the vitamin breakdown of this product?
i know youre a sponsor and all, but i still got to call it the way i see it, or else all of my posts are worthless, some might say they all are anyway.

 

[xanthoman]

I'm on my phone is why it's bad punctuation sorry everyone !

thats ok, we"ll just wait for you to get off. doesnt matter, when i respond, i was just going to post a bunch of undecipherable giberish anyway, (ill probably be on the phone too) lol

 

[Action Jackson]

I'm curious, is she housed by herself and if so can she see any other Chameleons?

 

[xanthoman]

daily calcium plus in xanth gutload imo hypevitaminosisA

pt1 due to 10,000 character limit.
no mystery here.

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon.age?,sex? How long has it been in your care? 5 months jackson
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? once or twice a day all individual chams are different but imo, once or twice a week would be more appropriate since you are having concerns.
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?Crickets are her primary diet i premix repeshy calcium plus cricks are a terrible feeder for many reasons. and many xanths dont handle a diet of mostly cricks that well, for one, cricks are too high in phosphorus, imo you wont keep a xanth healthy long term using cricks as a staple feeder, i strongly recomend a switch to dubia as your primary feeder, no single feeder should make up more than 40% of overall diet and cricks would be bad for that proportion, but they are a necessary evil, i prefer to save their use for dusting since they are the easiest feeder for that. i have used repashy calcium plus and i believe it to be a good product when used appropriately. but i would not recommend it as a gutload ingredient, too hard to calculate dosage, as a dusting supp, a matchead for 5 cricks about once every week-10 days is imo, all xanths need of this product, IT IS A FULL SPECTRUM MULTIVITAMIN PREFORMED VITAMIN A PRODUCT THAT INCLUDES D3 AND SHOULD NOT BE USED WITH ANY OTHER VITAMIN ENHANCED PRODUCT INCLUDING CALCIUM WITH D3 including vitamin enhanced foods. a matchead or 2 a week of plain cal is all that is required in addition to this product. if you are using calcium plus on a daily basis. you are heading for extreme vitaminA hypervitaminosis. this alone is enough to cause severe problems. and dinofuel. incomplete nutritional analysis for this product, no vitamin content info available . if there are vitamins in this product and from the ingredient list it seems inevitable that there is, the use of this product is only compounding the issue, (thats not to say that its not a viable product when used appropriately as part of a balanced plan) i gutload with bug burger carrots and dinofuel and twice a month i would recomend visiting sandra chameleons nutritional blog and putting together a homemade non vitamin enhanced gutload from info gleaned from her blog.i use d3 xanths are a metabollically sensitive species and dosage is critical imo 2x a month is appropriate but a matchead for 5 cricks is all thats required.however thats if you are using it for d3, you are already using WAAY too much calcium plus which already has d3 in it. imo, in a captive environment its not good to feed every day, i recmmend only 4 food days a week with a day between each and never calcium or supps 2 days in a row and reptivitereptivite is a full spectrum multivite with preformed vitaminA, which you are already using in the calcium plus, notn to mention whatever unknown vitamin content this dino fuel is adding. they all eat at 1130cup feeding is good recomend feeding at different times to help avoid food boredom. am from cups everyday i put 8 to 10 1/4 size crickets and often a couple silks and treats are pheonix worms and meal worms every coulple of daysoverfeeding has lots of issues including impaction, not to mention, everything you are feeding has way too many vitamins on it any way.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?repeshy 1st and 15th for d3 again you need to choose a plan either plain calcium, matchead 2x a week with 1 matchead of calcium plus every week to 10 days or calciumwithd3 i matchead 2x a month plus 2 matcheads plain cal every week.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?mistking 4 times a day 2 minute intrevels and yes i see her drinking good, what is yuor water source how often do you change it. do you heat your water or add anything to it?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?dark turds and white droppings so, you are saying that the white portion is entirely snow white with out the slightest pink or yellow tinges around the border whatsoever.?attached no they have never been tested for parasites their not wild caught they are all cb cb is not guaranty of being pathogen free, imo all new animals should have fecals performed and at least ever18mth thereafter.
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.