Is this the orange? WARNING graphic pictures
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Nicodemayo
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Her poop looks fine to me and so does she!
Thats good i got worried caus this is the first time ive seen this.
Would you happen to know what it might be ?
Chameleons Northwest
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The feces look a little tar like, and I see some light brown/orange stuck to the feces on the right side, as well as beneath the white urate. She may have just had a bit of a dry spell, followed by normal hydration. She may still be experiencing the effects of being moved to a new home.
As for the eyes, it's so hard to tell, especially with females. My female veileds eyes are always just a little more sunken than my males. And when the camera comes out, they sometimes want to really draw them in. So, I can't always tell my the eyes. Her casque and cheeks look well rounded. Her eyes do look a little "flat" and wrinkly wround the bottom edge.
With those 2 issues combined, you may want to step up her hydration. It would help if we knew how often you misted her, and what her temps and humidity are.
Sometimes their poop just looks different. Often it's because something didn't get completely digested. If undigested food in the poop happens chronically (in an otherwise healthy cham), it generally means the temps are too low.
I glanced through your other posts and didn't see that you answered the standard husbandry questions. These were answered by most all of us as we joined the forum and asked healthy questions. The answers really help people determine whether you have a genuine issue to be concerned about or whether you just need an adjustment.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - What kind of cage are you using? What is the size?
Lighting - What kind of lighting are you using? How long do you keep the lights on during the day?
Temperature - What temperature range have you created? Basking spot temp? What is the temperature at night?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Location - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas?
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon.
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What kind of schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What are you dusting your feeders with and what kind of schedule do you use?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings.
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Current Problem - The current problem that you are concerned about.
As for the eyes, it's so hard to tell, especially with females. My female veileds eyes are always just a little more sunken than my males. And when the camera comes out, they sometimes want to really draw them in. So, I can't always tell my the eyes. Her casque and cheeks look well rounded. Her eyes do look a little "flat" and wrinkly wround the bottom edge.
With those 2 issues combined, you may want to step up her hydration. It would help if we knew how often you misted her, and what her temps and humidity are.
Sometimes their poop just looks different. Often it's because something didn't get completely digested. If undigested food in the poop happens chronically (in an otherwise healthy cham), it generally means the temps are too low.
I glanced through your other posts and didn't see that you answered the standard husbandry questions. These were answered by most all of us as we joined the forum and asked healthy questions. The answers really help people determine whether you have a genuine issue to be concerned about or whether you just need an adjustment.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - What kind of cage are you using? What is the size?
Lighting - What kind of lighting are you using? How long do you keep the lights on during the day?
Temperature - What temperature range have you created? Basking spot temp? What is the temperature at night?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Location - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas?
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon.
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What kind of schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What are you dusting your feeders with and what kind of schedule do you use?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings.
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Current Problem - The current problem that you are concerned about.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - ATM im usingw that the pet store told me to use which was a glass terrarium the size is small so its a 12"x12"x18"(wxdxh). SHe has only been in there on week and i plan on switching this weeken to a 100 gallon flexarium, screened.
Lighting - The lighting is a 5.0 compact light.And basking is a 75 watt. I wake up at 8 so the lights turn on then and they go out by 10pm.
Temperature - the temperature range is at 75-80 during the day, at night it goes down to 60-70.
basking temp is around 90-95
Humidity - The Humidity levels stay between 70-90
RIght now im maintaining them by spraying water.
Plants - Not live plants, i will be getting a ficus and pothos tomorrow,along with the flexarium. Right now its what i have when i bought the terrarium which is just fake ones.
Location - cage is located by a window for ventilation because i open the doors to let air in for pretty much the whole time im here, they close when im gone and when sleeping/ I also have a fan on at night.
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Veiled Cham, Female, the age as iw as told by the pet shop was 2 months, but when i showed pictures on here they said she was 4-5 months..
Feeding - Crickets and the occasional wax worm
The amount is about 10 a day
5 in the morning and 5 in theevening
Romaine letteuce and carrots
Supplements - Brand name Rep-Cal , calcium with Vit d3
3 times a week
Watering - Right now its a misting by hand, i will be getting a drip system this weekend.
No i dont see it drink except once.
Fecal Description - White and brown with clear water substance(pee).
History - Not that i know of..
Current Problem - Poop, drinking.
Cage Type - ATM im usingw that the pet store told me to use which was a glass terrarium the size is small so its a 12"x12"x18"(wxdxh). SHe has only been in there on week and i plan on switching this weeken to a 100 gallon flexarium, screened.
Lighting - The lighting is a 5.0 compact light.And basking is a 75 watt. I wake up at 8 so the lights turn on then and they go out by 10pm.
Temperature - the temperature range is at 75-80 during the day, at night it goes down to 60-70.
basking temp is around 90-95
Humidity - The Humidity levels stay between 70-90
RIght now im maintaining them by spraying water.
Plants - Not live plants, i will be getting a ficus and pothos tomorrow,along with the flexarium. Right now its what i have when i bought the terrarium which is just fake ones.
Location - cage is located by a window for ventilation because i open the doors to let air in for pretty much the whole time im here, they close when im gone and when sleeping/ I also have a fan on at night.
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Veiled Cham, Female, the age as iw as told by the pet shop was 2 months, but when i showed pictures on here they said she was 4-5 months..
Feeding - Crickets and the occasional wax worm
The amount is about 10 a day
5 in the morning and 5 in theevening
Romaine letteuce and carrots
Supplements - Brand name Rep-Cal , calcium with Vit d3
3 times a week
Watering - Right now its a misting by hand, i will be getting a drip system this weekend.
No i dont see it drink except once.
Fecal Description - White and brown with clear water substance(pee).
History - Not that i know of..
Current Problem - Poop, drinking.
Chameleons Northwest
Avid Member
Those compact UVBs can be lethal. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the cause for the eye looking a bit off. When those compacts do harm, I think it generally begins with the eyes. There is a thread on this forum that explains in graphic detail (with photos) the gradual deadly effect these compact UVBs have on chams. I have to go, so I don't have time to search that thread out for you- but I recommend you search for that thread.
I also recommend you turn off that compact UVB. She would probably be better off with no UVB until you can get it replaced.
Also wanted to mention that she is beautiful.
Bye now.
I also recommend you turn off that compact UVB. She would probably be better off with no UVB until you can get it replaced.
Also wanted to mention that she is beautiful.
Bye now.
Kat77
New Member
gesang is absolutely right. Those compact bulbs are horrible. You should return it and get a reptisun 5.0 TUBE light. She would be better off without the uv light, until you can replace the compact, just as gesang said. You're using D3 three times a week? That is far too much, it should probably be once a week, and getting her outside weather permitting, for unfiltered sunlight for at least couple of hours a week is also a good idea.
Also, 90% humidity in that glass enclosure may be too much for her.
I'll bet you can't wait to get that flexarium! Make sure you post pics of your happy cham in her new home!
Also, 90% humidity in that glass enclosure may be too much for her.
I'll bet you can't wait to get that flexarium! Make sure you post pics of your happy cham in her new home!
gesang is absolutely right. Those compact bulbs are horrible. You should return it and get a reptisun 5.0 TUBE light. She would be better off without the uv light, until you can replace the compact, just as gesang said. You're using D3 three times a week? That is far too much, it should probably be once a week, and getting her outside weather permitting, for unfiltered sunlight for at least couple of hours a week is also a good idea.
Also, 90% humidity in that glass enclosure may be too much for her.
I'll bet you can't wait to get that flexarium! Make sure you post pics of your happy cham in her new home!
Oh. i feel horrible. I will get everything as soon as i can.
Quick question, when i get that Flexarium, how do you suppose i put that tube light on (wont it melt the mesh?), caus ei m getting a stand for the heat lampp..Lol.
As well ill try and keep the humidity down too,
Maybe i misread when i was reading about calcium...
its calcium 3x a week and calcium with d3 once right?
I will for sure post pics along with the NEW PLANTS !
(sorry for all the mess in this post).
Kat77
New Member
It may say 3X per week on the label, but those supplements weren't made for chameleons, and chams can overdose on D3. You haven't probably done any damage yet, though so don't worry! Just cut it way back.
Those tube lights can sit right atop the flexarium. They don't produce much heat and they wont melt the mesh.
I'm excited to see what your little cham thinks of her new home!
p.s. I think it's really cute that you put "Graphic" in your thread title, because of the poop!
It may say 3X per week on the label, but those supplements weren't made for chameleons, and chams can overdose on D3. You haven't probably done any damage yet, though so don't worry! Just cut it way back.
Those tube lights can sit right atop the flexarium. They don't produce much heat and they wont melt the mesh.
I'm excited to see what your little cham thinks of her new home!
p.s. I think it's really cute that you put "Graphic" in your thread title, because of the poop!
Ahh ok. Yah i havent used in the last 3 days.
Do i just need pure calcium then?or do I not even need to worry about it?
I understand about the lights now Thanks! haha. i waslike im not going to 120 dollars only for it to melt ahaha.
Im excited too!
I just didnt want to offend anyone with big HUGE poop pictures
Lol thanks..
Kat77
New Member
I'm sure no one was offended hon, people have posted LOTS of poop pics on this forum!
I use Minerall 0 (no d3) twice a week, Repcal with D3 once a week, and Herptivte multivitiman twice a week, and one day with no supplementation. It REALLY helps me to keep a little pad of paper next to the cages to keep track of what you used on what day, otherwise it gets confusing!
Gutloading your crickets with things like collard greens, oranges, banana peels, sweet potatoes, kale, mustard greens, apple peels and potato peels is a good idea too. Also, make sure you keep your cricket cage clean.
I use Minerall 0 (no d3) twice a week, Repcal with D3 once a week, and Herptivte multivitiman twice a week, and one day with no supplementation. It REALLY helps me to keep a little pad of paper next to the cages to keep track of what you used on what day, otherwise it gets confusing!
Gutloading your crickets with things like collard greens, oranges, banana peels, sweet potatoes, kale, mustard greens, apple peels and potato peels is a good idea too. Also, make sure you keep your cricket cage clean.
Ahh ok. Yah i havent used in the last 3 days.
Do i just need pure calcium then?or do I not even need to worry about it?
I understand about the lights now Thanks! haha. i waslike im not going to 120 dollars only for it to melt ahaha.
Im excited too!
I just didnt want to offend anyone with big HUGE poop pictures
haha
ok, ill look for those supplements.
And im gutoading with carrots..i was told i could do that? is that fine as well? i dontw antto messup on that part. i just started. llike today literally with the carrots.
And the cricket cage is always clean Lol. im a bitof a clean freak! aha
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Also does it matter when you give it to them say for example you give them minerall then the same day you give them repcal.
Or isi t just minerall one day
repcal the 2nd. then multivit the 3. and repeat?
Kat77
New Member
I would do them one at a time, otherwise it may be a bit of a supplement overload. Carrots are fine, but I would use at least some of the other things too, switching them out one or two at a time. That will keep some variety in both the crickets' diet AND the chameleon's diet. I've heard that a wide variety of gut load in the crickets can stop chameleons from getting bored with their food and going on "hunger strikes"
Carrots have lots of beta carotene, but it isn't a definite thing that chams can really process that into anything beneficial.
OOOOOOOh jeez. Vit A. I didnt realize. Il get rid of it . i dont even want to get into that stuff LOL.
Ill for sure try your stuff !
Your giving me really great tips You dont undestand how appreciative i am towards you for this!
chamlover
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If you just keep it simple and do the same supplementation on the same days you'll be fine and don't worry about the carrots, chams cannot utilize the beta caratene in them. I feed them to my insects all the time. I try to give my insects 3 colors of greens each week and then switch to keep it interesting. Also don't forget to add fruit as well and i don't remember if you said that you were supplementing your feeders. You are aren't you? And there has been evidence that shows that you should not give calcium on the same day as vitamins, or vitamins the same day as minerals, they kinda cancel things out. What is it in the picture that you were so worried about? If it looks dry, or hard, or orange, then you have a problem, but your poop looks good. When is the last time someone told you that.LOL.
Debby
Debby
