Babybloo
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Hi first off I'm new to the community, so if I break any rules please give me a week or so to get used to the site. And I apologise if I am posting in the wrong thread.
Anyway I would like to breed Goliath worms and really am not sure where to start. My beardie and Chameleon love them. I already breed super worms, but I assume that Goliath Worms will be a whole different ballgame. Where do I start?
Update: 1 (For those who don't know where to start.)
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Well first of all I will post some information found from http://www.alamocityagama.com/hornworm-breeding.
horn worms can be high maintenance to keep and raise.
horn worms hatch from eggs, grow fast and in about 2 weeks or less they being to pupate (turn into a cocoon) they pupate for about 20-30 days and emerge as "hawk moths" the giant moths that can have a wing span of as much as 4-6 inches.
horn worm are pest species, they can destroy tomato plants and tobacco plants and other plants in the same family. the moths mate and lay their eggs on and around tomato plants (or that of the same family) and the eggs hatch in about 2-3 days.
since there is no way to suspend the growth of the horn worm, pupa, moth or eggs they are high maintenance and you must run on their scheduled and keep up with them.
this site will explain that
http://www.manducaproject.com/
they eat artificial diets, you can make your own but i dont recommend it home made food often spoils quickly and grows mold fast.
food you can buy from GLH or any Repashy dealer, repashy is the brand name. bug burger is the product.
bug burger is made in the same way that GLH food is made.
great lake hornworms uses an agar agar based food. agar agar is made from sea weed. it acts almost exactly like gelatin, gelatin desolves in water, is cooked and once it cools it turns into a jello. agar agar is about the same only, it does not melt at room temperature. agar agar is perfect for bug food because of this. it holds it shape it holds food in suspension and its extremely easy to work with. repashy's bug burger is sold in a powder form only. glh food is sold either wet (already made) or dry and you can make it. when you order "horn worm cups" they already come with food inside the cup. if ordering 6 cups i recomend ordering food too, the food will run out in those cups if the worms start getting big they eat SO much.
mulberry farms also sells horn worms but they do not feed their horn worms the same diet. they feed them mulberry food. i do not recommend mulberry farms' horn worms for this reason . mulberry food is made from mulberry leaves, its basically a diet just for silk worms, since silk worms wont eat artificial diets or anything else. so they simply just offer it to the horn worms. what a bad idea!!!!! mulberry food is high in Vitamin K and this can be bad if feeding it to frilled dragons on a daily basis. to much of one thing is a bad idea.
so to re-cap. horn worms hatch out of eggs after 2-3 days. worms grow and eat alot and poop alot for about 2 weeks. after 2 weeks they walk around "wander" for 3-5 days, then they pupate for about 20-30 days. they emerge as moths and lay eggs for 2-3 days and die. after 2-3 days eggs hatch. see what i mean by trying to keep up with them?
i hope this information is enough, if you have any questions just email me and i can answer them to the best of my knowledge or do further research and find an answer for you.
PICS [Won't let me add the pics, but here are their links)
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use plastic mesh found in the roofing section, this mesh is ment to keep leaves out of rain gutters
i use 3oz cups turned upside down hot glued to the mesh , this keeps the mesh elevated so the poop can drop down
https://picasaweb.google.com/115075...hkey=Gv1sRgCKLmicbno8_4Cg#5670480720644178530
use "shoe box" containers found at most grocery stores for 1$ in the home section
https://picasaweb.google.com/115075...hkey=Gv1sRgCKLmicbno8_4Cg#5670480872071456578
why to not use just paper towel
https://picasaweb.google.com/115075...hkey=Gv1sRgCKLmicbno8_4Cg#5670480965477030658
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ALL of this information was found at http://www.alamocityagama.com/hornworm-breeding
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Okay so let's talk price
If you want to raise the worms from egg-to-moth then you will need some hornworm eggs.
Eggs can be found on this site here: greatlakeshornworm.com
50 Eggs will run you: $14.75 USD (really not to bad)
Then of course the "Bug burger" (food) and that can be found here :pangeareptile.com.
This will run you: $15.95 USD for 1lbs
Then of course if you don't want to raise the eggs then you can buy the horn worms themselves. They can be found here: greatlakeshornworm.com and 1 cup of 12 worms with the potential of growing up to 4" will run you: $10.95 USD
the costs for the eggs + food is ~$30 USD. (not including tax or shipping.)
the cost for worms + food is ~ $26 USD . (not including tax or shipping.)
So, the cost isn't really all that bad. Sorry for the large post I just thought that someone could use this information.
Anyway I would like to breed Goliath worms and really am not sure where to start. My beardie and Chameleon love them. I already breed super worms, but I assume that Goliath Worms will be a whole different ballgame. Where do I start?
Update: 1 (For those who don't know where to start.)
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Well first of all I will post some information found from http://www.alamocityagama.com/hornworm-breeding.
horn worms can be high maintenance to keep and raise.
horn worms hatch from eggs, grow fast and in about 2 weeks or less they being to pupate (turn into a cocoon) they pupate for about 20-30 days and emerge as "hawk moths" the giant moths that can have a wing span of as much as 4-6 inches.
horn worm are pest species, they can destroy tomato plants and tobacco plants and other plants in the same family. the moths mate and lay their eggs on and around tomato plants (or that of the same family) and the eggs hatch in about 2-3 days.
since there is no way to suspend the growth of the horn worm, pupa, moth or eggs they are high maintenance and you must run on their scheduled and keep up with them.
this site will explain that
http://www.manducaproject.com/
they eat artificial diets, you can make your own but i dont recommend it home made food often spoils quickly and grows mold fast.
food you can buy from GLH or any Repashy dealer, repashy is the brand name. bug burger is the product.
bug burger is made in the same way that GLH food is made.
great lake hornworms uses an agar agar based food. agar agar is made from sea weed. it acts almost exactly like gelatin, gelatin desolves in water, is cooked and once it cools it turns into a jello. agar agar is about the same only, it does not melt at room temperature. agar agar is perfect for bug food because of this. it holds it shape it holds food in suspension and its extremely easy to work with. repashy's bug burger is sold in a powder form only. glh food is sold either wet (already made) or dry and you can make it. when you order "horn worm cups" they already come with food inside the cup. if ordering 6 cups i recomend ordering food too, the food will run out in those cups if the worms start getting big they eat SO much.
mulberry farms also sells horn worms but they do not feed their horn worms the same diet. they feed them mulberry food. i do not recommend mulberry farms' horn worms for this reason . mulberry food is made from mulberry leaves, its basically a diet just for silk worms, since silk worms wont eat artificial diets or anything else. so they simply just offer it to the horn worms. what a bad idea!!!!! mulberry food is high in Vitamin K and this can be bad if feeding it to frilled dragons on a daily basis. to much of one thing is a bad idea.
so to re-cap. horn worms hatch out of eggs after 2-3 days. worms grow and eat alot and poop alot for about 2 weeks. after 2 weeks they walk around "wander" for 3-5 days, then they pupate for about 20-30 days. they emerge as moths and lay eggs for 2-3 days and die. after 2-3 days eggs hatch. see what i mean by trying to keep up with them?
i hope this information is enough, if you have any questions just email me and i can answer them to the best of my knowledge or do further research and find an answer for you.
PICS [Won't let me add the pics, but here are their links)
__________
use plastic mesh found in the roofing section, this mesh is ment to keep leaves out of rain gutters
i use 3oz cups turned upside down hot glued to the mesh , this keeps the mesh elevated so the poop can drop down
https://picasaweb.google.com/115075...hkey=Gv1sRgCKLmicbno8_4Cg#5670480720644178530
use "shoe box" containers found at most grocery stores for 1$ in the home section
https://picasaweb.google.com/115075...hkey=Gv1sRgCKLmicbno8_4Cg#5670480872071456578
why to not use just paper towel
https://picasaweb.google.com/115075...hkey=Gv1sRgCKLmicbno8_4Cg#5670480965477030658
__________
ALL of this information was found at http://www.alamocityagama.com/hornworm-breeding
__________
Okay so let's talk price
If you want to raise the worms from egg-to-moth then you will need some hornworm eggs.
Eggs can be found on this site here: greatlakeshornworm.com
50 Eggs will run you: $14.75 USD (really not to bad)
Then of course the "Bug burger" (food) and that can be found here :pangeareptile.com.
This will run you: $15.95 USD for 1lbs
Then of course if you don't want to raise the eggs then you can buy the horn worms themselves. They can be found here: greatlakeshornworm.com and 1 cup of 12 worms with the potential of growing up to 4" will run you: $10.95 USD
the costs for the eggs + food is ~$30 USD. (not including tax or shipping.)
the cost for worms + food is ~ $26 USD . (not including tax or shipping.)
So, the cost isn't really all that bad. Sorry for the large post I just thought that someone could use this information.
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