I need breeding advice!

[BigBlue]

Hi All, (sorry this is so long)

Here's the long and short of it. I have tried to breed my Nosy Be panthers on a few occasions with no such luck. Both male and female are approx. 2.5 years old and out of site of each other. On Saturday night I placed my female into the males cage and left them together until Sunday mid day. I checked on them regularly. The female showed receptive coloring but the male just couldn't seem to figure out what to do, although he did make advances and the odd head bob or two towards her. I never did see copulation take place. By Sunday mid day she had had enough and was starting to darken up so I removed her from his cage. Tonight I placed her in his cage and at first I thought everything was OK until he attacked her (opening his mouth very wide) and bit her on her side. She desperatley looked to be in a panic and I quickly separated them.

My question to you all is: is this agression part of the mating ritual or was I correct in removing her when I did? I don't think the darkening of colours shows she is gravid as I have seen this behaviour from them the last time I tried to breed them and no eggs were ever produced.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Just on a side note, while I was trying to get the panthers to mate, I decided to put my veileds together and true to form, the male veiled went at it right away! What a stud.

 

[SSimsswiSS]

Female at 2.5 years might be pass her viable egg laying ability. They tend to shut down after a couple years.

 

[sandrachameleon]

My males have never tried to bite a female. Chase, scratch, yes, bite no. I'd say separating them was the right thing to do.

I also have a lovely pretty male who is middle aged and has never, ever shown any interest in the ladies (or the gentlemen). He doesnt give more than a single bob of the head to the ladies, doesnt hardly flare up when he is permitted to see other males. He's just too pretty to get all worked up about anything whatsoever. Which is too bad cuz I really wanted to breed him.

But maybe your fella just wasnt in the mood this time. He may feel more interested in six months or next year? Unfortunatly, that may be too late for your female.

That said, I bred a 3 year old female panther (Ive since been told 2 was the optimum age). Her one and only 5 minute copulation (with a male who was always interested) resulted in a nice healthy clutch and lovely little babies. And mommy lived for about a couple years longer no issues.

 

[ChromaChameleons]

You might consider introducing them on neutral ground. It looks like your male was clearly feeling threatened in his own cage.

You might also try showing him , his own reflection in a mirror. That might get him in gear. Check his UVB , as it might be worn out . Also try lengthening the day light hours , as he might be thinking its off season and the days getting shorter. Raising temps a degree or two and humidity might resolve his issue . With optimum conditions, Panthers should breed year round.

Nosy Be males seem to be the most quick to "turn off". I've had it happen more than once. At 2.5 years old , your male could be past his prime.

 

[jannb]

I know nothing about breeding but I have read on here several times where the male killed the female during breeding when the owners were out of the room for a short period of time.....so be careful.

 

[BigBlue]

Yea, I like the nuetral ground idea Harry, it makes scence as when he was in her cage he acted totally different, kind of passive, but in his own cage he was pretty mean and aggressive towards her. I will try all of these suggestions. If all else fails, I will have to get a male to go with the girl I picked up from you at the last show!
Thanks guys!

 

[sandrachameleon]

Very good suggestion re neutral ground.
Ive always introduced the male to the females cage, since my males are easier to handle and the female receptive mood was fairly obvious.

 

[ttshibby]

In regards to your male attacking the female, She must have been dark already. When she is like that, the male will no longer see her as a breeding partner. He would then be trying to defond his territory.

Also with that being said, I would try to introduce the male to the females cage. In the wild the males usually roam to seek a mate, so this may work. If he dosent go for her. throw in a cricket or too. More than likley the female will go for it and just the female moving may trigger him to mate.

I also agree with Harry, Neutral grounds may work too. It may also stress out the female making her loose her receptive coloration. If it dosent then its good to go!

 

[Fate X]

the sambava i got is not mating with the females.hes about 9 months old.the female is about 18 months.i have put her in his cage for 3-4 days at a time.
they seem to get along with each other but i have never seen them mate and the females eggs are infertile as they are turning more yellowish and beginning to mold.
is his problem cause hes young?there has been 3-4 attempted mating sessions and they dont do nothing.
i have been putting her in his cage should i try putting him on her cage?

 

[wheresstimpy]

if you need a stud panther my boys is out of control right now, hes only about 5 and a 1/2 months old but he saw me with the female this morning and now all day has been lit up bobbing his head running, literally running, around his enclosure... poor little guy, i feel bad, i almost bought an older female from the pet store just so he could have a mate today...

 

[Lagartijo Hunter]

Me too

I have the same problem, my male veiled bites the female with such force he often make her bleed. she remais quiet and seem receptive but the male just bite the hell out of her. i think i would try the neutral place thing and see if that works. but i would get her more time to heal her love wounds.
and yes im new to the forum i am from Puerto Rico. and have a couple of breeding proyects going on down here. So hi to everybody and sorry for my english

 

[BigBlue]

Hi Legartijo, welcome to the forum. Prepare to learn tons of stuff, there are a lot of very knowledgable people here and they are always willing to help. Enjoy.