hoenhelii family
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Lizardlover
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VERY nice, they are one of my favorite chams. i love their size, because without comparasin they look like a large chameleon (to me!)
CleaTheChameleon
New Member
very nice. I wish u best of luck with the eggs and babies
merumontanus
Avid Member
Wow, very beautiful chams. I see in the middle is a Female Rudis.
She looks gravid and is displaying non receptive colors
Nope. As the title says, they're all T. hoehnelii.
Celine, beautiful animals. Do you know the specific locality? I look forward to seeing her offspring!
Fabián
Anilr16
New Member
the rudis arent in the hoehnelii family, but that clearly is a Rudis. I have a gravid female Rudis that displays the same colors and ive dealt with the species for a year so far, so i know quite alot on them.
im positive everyone can agree with me that the middle pic is a rudis with the black diamonds.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
You have a lot to learn, Anilr16. There are almost 200 species of chameleon and a lot of species look similar. That is a female Trioceros hoehnelii, not a T. rudis. To be honest with you, you actually don't even have T. rudis. It is a common misconception that the animals people keep in captivity and that are sold and imported as T. rudis are this species. In fact, they are Trioceros sternfeldi, not Trioceros rudis.
Chris
Anilr16
New Member
Really...really...a Trioceros hoehnelii is to the top left.....and yes. i do have a Rudis Chameleon.
Take a look smart one :
that is CLEARLY a grvaid Rudis.
Thank You
p.s.-she is not in her non receptive/stressed colors hence why she's not possesing the black diamonds.
Anilr16
New Member
Wrong Cham
Thats a gravid Rudis isnt it? in the middle. please clarify it, your are confusing other members,
thanks!
Thats a gravid Rudis isnt it? in the middle. please clarify it, your are confusing other members,
thanks!
Anilr16
New Member
You just wont admit it..
Fine...you think thats a gravid Hoehnelli...find me another picture(off google or whatever source you find).
This..you wont be able to do. Obviously youve never dealt with Rudis like I have if your denying that being one. shame, shame.
p.s.-im sure TRACE could verify this.
Fine...you think thats a gravid Hoehnelli...find me another picture(off google or whatever source you find).
This..you wont be able to do. Obviously youve never dealt with Rudis like I have if your denying that being one. shame, shame.
p.s.-im sure TRACE could verify this.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Thats a gravid Rudis isnt it? in the middle. please clarify it, your are confusing other members,
thanks!
All the photos posted by the original poster in this thread are of Trioceros hoehnelii. None are of Trioceros rudis. Sorry, you're wrong.
Take a look smart one :
that is CLEARLY a grvaid Rudis.
Thank You
p.s.-she is not in her non receptive/stressed colors hence why she's not possesing the black diamonds.
No, actually you don't. There are no true Trioceros rudis in the US (possibly Europe too). They are Trioceros sternfeldi. This species was once a subspecies of T. rudis but they are no longer. They are still exported from Tanzania and sold in the US as T. rudis but that is incorrect. T. rudis does not even live in Tanzania technically.
If you take a minute to stop being so impressed with what you think you know, you might learn something from some of the members on this forum. A lot of us have been doing this for quite a while and know what we are talking about.
Chris
merumontanus
Avid Member
Sigh...
All right. Hopefully you can look back in a few years and smile at how little you knew, and if you don't create too many enemies, at how much you learnt. We have all been where you are, but this forum is a vast resource of information (and expertise, in some cases), so I encourage you to take advantage of this and, if you really want to learn, be a bit more receptive.
As Chris already said very clearly, what you have is T. sternfeldi, even though they are sold as rudis. This doesn't really affect you as you probably won't be able to get your hands on any true rudis. And for the last time, Celine's animals are neither T. rudis nor T. sternfeldi. They are T. hoehnelii.
Cheers,
Fabián
Trace
Captain Awesome
In fact I can! It's a gravid Trioceris hoehnelii.
The bitaeniatus complex is a closely related group of ovoviviparous chameleons residing in East Africa. The group includes the bitaeniatus, rudis, sternfeldi, hoehnelii, ellioti, goetzei, tempeli, schubotzi, affinis, werneri to name a few. While many of the species within the group look similar they are, in fact, very different species exploiting in different ecological niches. With some practice and study, this family, as well as other types of chameleons, can be identified quite easily.
Hope I've cleared up some confusion.
Trace
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
I missed this post in the rest of the garbage you posted. I'm glad to see that you trust at least one experienced member of this forum (although we'll see what you say now that she has posted). You should keep in mind that there are quite a few very experienced keepers on the forum though and you have a lot to learn.
Back to your request for photos of gravid hoehnelii photos, this is kind of a dumb request. I tend to doubt that you are going to accept any of the hundreds of hoehnelii photos I have of my own from working with this species for the last 9 years because that would be biased. Further, if you were to look for chameleon photos on google to base your IDing off of, you're going to find a ton of misidentified animals because we run into people like you who think they know what they are talking about and are just flat out wrong. Additionally, there is so much variation within individual species that you aren't always going to see the same look even though they are the same species. That said, here are a few recent photos of my hoehnelii females (the first two photos are of gravid animals):
As I said, I have hundreds of photos of this species I can show you, including ridiculous variation. I can show you pics of orange females, green females, brown females, blue females, yellow female... I can also show you a ton of pics of differernt T. sternfeldi that I've worked with over the last 12+ years but "Obviously...never dealt with..like [you] have." At the end of the day, however, you're not going to be making many friends on this forum with the attitude you have. There are a lot of very experienced keepers on this forum and if you want help from some of them in the future, you might want to realize when you don't know what you are talking about and others probably do. No one appreciates your attitude.
Chris
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Celine - Your hoehnelii are beautiful. This has always been one of my favorite species to work with. Hope the female drops her babies for you fine!
Chris
Chris
eisentrauti
Avid Member
Puh, I didn't know what to say to this post. Was it written to Chris
From my knowledge there are no rudis in captivity kept at the moment (in Europe). Maybe those "red rudis" ones are so close related to them that they are a subspecies, but real rudis couldn't be found.
In an article from Mann (2008) those red rudis ones are called Chamaeleo cf. sternfeldi
