Chameleonmaster
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Can you guys help me on genetics and how they work because I'm having a hard time understanding how the work?
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Chameleonmaster
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i just checked and couldnt find any
SSimsswiSS
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You know for a chameleonmaster, you ask alot of questions. 
Could you be more specific? Are you asking about locales, pattern inheritance, etc? "How genetics works" is too vague to offer any helpful info. :/
BocaJan
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You might have a better time getting a response if you ask a specific question that can be answered with a specific response.
Chameleonmaster
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If I want a specific color in the baby for example the mom is nosey be and dad is some other color like red bar and you want the blue from the mom how would I get it
Chameleonmaster
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And by the way it's just a name that I could think of at the time and what does my name have to do with it I'm here for help
drcrossfire
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You would have to take two bloodlines with the traits you like and breed them...
it's a crap shoot though. Never know what you'll get. You might end up with the exact opposite of what you want....
though if you find say... two bloodlines that are very similar that you like how the parents look, you have better odds of the children looking like the parents. Selecting for specific traits can take generations.
it's a crap shoot though. Never know what you'll get. You might end up with the exact opposite of what you want....
though if you find say... two bloodlines that are very similar that you like how the parents look, you have better odds of the children looking like the parents. Selecting for specific traits can take generations.
JRchameleons
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For your specific example, if you want a blue Nosy Be, breed two blue Nosy Be panthers. You're very likely to get a blue Nosy Be if both parents come from long lines of "true blues". Many other locales (like Ambilobes) have greater variance in colors, however, so it's a lot more difficult to get something specific. Just look as far back into the lineage of the parents as you can, and that can give you some idea of what the babies will turn out to be.
Chameleonmaster
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Ok thanks I'm still not understanding it though
Echoezra
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They're just saying, there's no guarantees. There's more likelihood that if you have a male with looks you like, and the female's father and brother look very similar to the male's looks, you're more likely to get that look you want than if you breed two very different colored bloodlines together.
But still, it could still vary. Different chameleons = different traits.
It's obviously going to be more likely to come out blue if you're breeding Nosy Be to Nosy Be, rather than Ambilobe. There's just a lot more variations to consider with the colourations involved in Ambilobes.
But you also have to keep in mind that it's harder to judge the colourations in the bloodline of the female if you haven't seen a lot of her male relatives.
Keeping that in mind though, there are also lots of variations involved even in a single male. Their colourations changes over time, (both my boys have changed quite a bit in the year that i've had them), so judging bloodline colourations by a single picture isn't necessarily an accurate prediction of what you're likely to get from a breeding either.
I just dont think it is quite as basic and scientific as the genetic equations you see with other species. With the "big letter plus little letter equals this" predictable math. I'm assuming that's what you were after.
Since it's more a changing and changeable variation of colours, I just don't think it works in a predictable way like that.
There are "chances are more likely you'll get something with high red" types of assumptions, but no certainties of getting a clone of mom or dad.
You just have to go in with "chameleons look cool, period" kind of expectations, and if you have cool parents, chances are better you'll have cool babies. If you have a male with looks you're after, and the males in the female's lines have looks you're after, chances are "more" likely you'll end up with a baby with looks you're after. But never any guarantees.
But still, it could still vary. Different chameleons = different traits.
It's obviously going to be more likely to come out blue if you're breeding Nosy Be to Nosy Be, rather than Ambilobe. There's just a lot more variations to consider with the colourations involved in Ambilobes.
But you also have to keep in mind that it's harder to judge the colourations in the bloodline of the female if you haven't seen a lot of her male relatives.
Keeping that in mind though, there are also lots of variations involved even in a single male. Their colourations changes over time, (both my boys have changed quite a bit in the year that i've had them), so judging bloodline colourations by a single picture isn't necessarily an accurate prediction of what you're likely to get from a breeding either.
I just dont think it is quite as basic and scientific as the genetic equations you see with other species. With the "big letter plus little letter equals this" predictable math. I'm assuming that's what you were after.
Since it's more a changing and changeable variation of colours, I just don't think it works in a predictable way like that.
There are "chances are more likely you'll get something with high red" types of assumptions, but no certainties of getting a clone of mom or dad.
You just have to go in with "chameleons look cool, period" kind of expectations, and if you have cool parents, chances are better you'll have cool babies. If you have a male with looks you're after, and the males in the female's lines have looks you're after, chances are "more" likely you'll end up with a baby with looks you're after. But never any guarantees.
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
I hope this helps, I tried to make the simplest chart I could.
If you have parent A (Nosy Be) and parent B (Ambilobe) then the offspring will be 50% crosses of both. But on the outside, they will show different amounts of each parents' genetic input. So you will have some offspring that will look a lot more like A, others that look more like B, and most will look like mixes of both parents.
This is why when you cross panthers you sometimes get individuals that look pure, because you may get a couple that look pure Nosy Be, but they are still crosses. Most of the offspring will look like a mix, though.
Therefore, if you want offspring with blue, your best choice is to breed TWO Nosy Be chameleons together to get 100% blue Nosy bes.
Is that easier to understand?
If you have parent A (Nosy Be) and parent B (Ambilobe) then the offspring will be 50% crosses of both. But on the outside, they will show different amounts of each parents' genetic input. So you will have some offspring that will look a lot more like A, others that look more like B, and most will look like mixes of both parents.
This is why when you cross panthers you sometimes get individuals that look pure, because you may get a couple that look pure Nosy Be, but they are still crosses. Most of the offspring will look like a mix, though.
Therefore, if you want offspring with blue, your best choice is to breed TWO Nosy Be chameleons together to get 100% blue Nosy bes.
Is that easier to understand?
Chameleonmaster
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Yes that made it much easier to understand thanks again olimpia
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