Elizadolots
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Yeah...don't fall for that....I was all over the idea that "basking" meant enjoying the light...closing eyes seemed reasonable to me. I was wrong. They aren't mammals.
Gave Reptar a bath, confused on behavior/colors.
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pssh
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BUT, let's say what is not too hot or too cold to you is 90 degrees. 90 degrees is rather warm for a montane don't you think? What is slightly cool to you better than too warm IMO.
Elizadolots
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No, pssh, I don't. I've read loads and loads of posts by summoner saying that his Jackson's benefit from WARM even hot showers.
Syn
Avid Member
I'm sure the methods used by your boyfriend's jackson and Kevin's jackson are quite different.
pssh
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The methods used by the jacksons? Meaning? And if you actually are referring to the jacksons and their temperature preferences (I think that's what you mean?) and how they are different, then who's to say that the OPs jacksons also does not do well with hot or cool water?
Better safe than sorry in my opinion. I'd rather try room temp water first than risk traumatizing the lizard with hot/warm water the first time.
Edit: and why the italics on boyfriend?
Syn
Avid Member
Is any of your reasoning backed up with evidence, or is it just something you think is good because it sounds right?
Summoner(Kevin) has had success with it, why question it? Warm showers have been known to be beneficial. So can it be possible to leave it at that without speculating?
Edit: Trying to make it less blunt.
Summoner(Kevin) has had success with it, why question it? Warm showers have been known to be beneficial. So can it be possible to leave it at that without speculating?
Edit: Trying to make it less blunt.
pssh
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Speculating? So the fact that actual jacksons don't like warm/hot showers isn't good enough?
Why are you getting so spastic about me? I haven't done anything to you.
Edit: I'm also not saying that warm showers don't work. I'm saying how do you know they will work for a particular chameleon? Why give someone advice that could totally freak out the chameleon when put into action? What's the purpose in that? I'm saying it's better to be cautious. Do you not understand that?
Why are you getting so spastic about me? I haven't done anything to you.
Edit: I'm also not saying that warm showers don't work. I'm saying how do you know they will work for a particular chameleon? Why give someone advice that could totally freak out the chameleon when put into action? What's the purpose in that? I'm saying it's better to be cautious. Do you not understand that?
Syn
Avid Member
Well, if you saw this:
edit: Woah, I'm spastic? "relating to or characterized by spasm; 'a spastic colon'; 'spastic paralysis is a spastic form of cerebral palsy'"
pssh
Avid Member
Then syn, show me these posts!
How is Summoners Jackson any more significant than another? Why is what his Jackson likes/can handle the 'law' about jacksons? It's not. It just so happens that real life, living and breathing jacksons dont like what his does. Please explain to me why his chameleon is more important than any other?
How is Summoners Jackson any more significant than another? Why is what his Jackson likes/can handle the 'law' about jacksons? It's not. It just so happens that real life, living and breathing jacksons dont like what his does. Please explain to me why his chameleon is more important than any other?
Syn
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You are taking things out of context and getting overly emotional, as well as putting words into my mouth. You would be a great lawyer.
If you can answer your own questions about what you are saying, then so will I. Until then, have a good night.
pssh
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Am I wrong in assuming you want me to stop posting because it has been proven by Summoners chameleon that he likes hot water and that it can be good for some chameleons?
Paste the questions you want answered and I'll see what I can do.
Emotional? Not at all, just exploring to learn, but take them as you wish. You're posts are not clear to me at all, but you also won't answer any questions, and you still want me to just leave it alone. How can I when you've left me so curious about what you mean? I also don't think you understand my posts either, or at least you are choosing to respond to them taking a different direction (in which I do not see the connection.)
Paste the questions you want answered and I'll see what I can do.
Emotional? Not at all, just exploring to learn, but take them as you wish. You're posts are not clear to me at all, but you also won't answer any questions, and you still want me to just leave it alone. How can I when you've left me so curious about what you mean? I also don't think you understand my posts either, or at least you are choosing to respond to them taking a different direction (in which I do not see the connection.)
pssh
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I'm bored and can't sleeeeep. So I decided to just answer a bunch.
OP - how do we know which it prefers? And if you start with warm/hot water, how do you know what 'too hot' is?. Well, I can't answer this one unless I were to put it to test. Which I can't, so I am not able to give you an answer.*
Speculating? this was in response to you. It's more to imply tone (me being confused about it mainly.)
So the fact that actual jacksons don't like warm/hot showers isn't good enough?. I think it's plenty good enough as proof. (in response to your question asking if I have anything to back it up.) I also meant that SOME jacksons don't like hot water if you were confused.*
Why are you getting so spastic about me?. Well I think it's because of the pet store thing, but I guess it's actually because of the post made by elizadolots. (which doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever. You're reasons are your own.)
Edit: I'm also not saying that warm showers don't work. I'm saying how do you know they will work for a particular chameleon?(1) Why give someone advice that could totally freak out the chameleon when put into action?(2) What's the purpose in that?(3) I'm saying it's better to be cautious. Do you not understand that?(4)
1. Well, you don't know for sure, so you can't say for sure. (hence me repeating 'it's better to be cautious.')
2. Could be many reasons. Maybe because you are too lazy to type out a whole response, you didnt know that it could be bad (common sense should be used here,) you are just a careless person, etc.)
3. Again, different answers that would relate to question number two above.
4. You tell me, ma'am. Can't answer that one for ya.
How is Summoners Jackson any more significant than another?(1) Why is what his Jackson likes/can handle the 'law' about jacksons? It's not. It just so happens that real life, living and breathing jacksons dont like what his does. Please explain to me why his chameleon is more important than any other?(2)
These were in response to you quoting elizadolots when I asked if real life chameleons aren't enough proof. I understood it to mean that her reasoning was more important/true/sound/etc. Or that he and his chameleons evidence was different than mine, so mine doesn't count. Something along those lines. (could be a misunderstanding, you were rather vague to me.)
1. I don't think it is so.... That was directed at you.
2. Again, directed at you.
Okay, done!
OP - how do we know which it prefers? And if you start with warm/hot water, how do you know what 'too hot' is?. Well, I can't answer this one unless I were to put it to test. Which I can't, so I am not able to give you an answer.*
Speculating? this was in response to you. It's more to imply tone (me being confused about it mainly.)
So the fact that actual jacksons don't like warm/hot showers isn't good enough?. I think it's plenty good enough as proof. (in response to your question asking if I have anything to back it up.) I also meant that SOME jacksons don't like hot water if you were confused.*
Why are you getting so spastic about me?. Well I think it's because of the pet store thing, but I guess it's actually because of the post made by elizadolots. (which doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever. You're reasons are your own.)
Edit: I'm also not saying that warm showers don't work. I'm saying how do you know they will work for a particular chameleon?(1) Why give someone advice that could totally freak out the chameleon when put into action?(2) What's the purpose in that?(3) I'm saying it's better to be cautious. Do you not understand that?(4)
1. Well, you don't know for sure, so you can't say for sure. (hence me repeating 'it's better to be cautious.')
2. Could be many reasons. Maybe because you are too lazy to type out a whole response, you didnt know that it could be bad (common sense should be used here,) you are just a careless person, etc.)
3. Again, different answers that would relate to question number two above.
4. You tell me, ma'am. Can't answer that one for ya.
How is Summoners Jackson any more significant than another?(1) Why is what his Jackson likes/can handle the 'law' about jacksons? It's not. It just so happens that real life, living and breathing jacksons dont like what his does. Please explain to me why his chameleon is more important than any other?(2)
These were in response to you quoting elizadolots when I asked if real life chameleons aren't enough proof. I understood it to mean that her reasoning was more important/true/sound/etc. Or that he and his chameleons evidence was different than mine, so mine doesn't count. Something along those lines. (could be a misunderstanding, you were rather vague to me.)
1. I don't think it is so.... That was directed at you.
2. Again, directed at you.
Okay, done!
Sharka
New Member
HEYYYY!! >X0
In my humble and honest opnion I would say that chameleons would have their own preferences. what one chameleon of an owner's likes, another would dislike. people have their own methods of taking care of their chams and it works for them. what one owner does for their chameleon maybe slightly different than someone else's method, yet their methods could both work depending on what the cham prefers. Ive done what seems to make mine happiest and ive had no problems so far. What i really want to say is that there is no point in arguing because from what ive seen, this conversation went nowhere fast. calm down people!
In my humble and honest opnion I would say that chameleons would have their own preferences. what one chameleon of an owner's likes, another would dislike. people have their own methods of taking care of their chams and it works for them. what one owner does for their chameleon maybe slightly different than someone else's method, yet their methods could both work depending on what the cham prefers. Ive done what seems to make mine happiest and ive had no problems so far. What i really want to say is that there is no point in arguing because from what ive seen, this conversation went nowhere fast. calm down people!
Trace
Captain Awesome
Syn what's with the antagonism towards pssh of late?
FWIW: I shower my montanes in cool to warm water because when I've made the mistake of using even slightly hot water they've either avoided the water and/or started blanching and gaping because of the excess heat. Prolonged exposure to hot temps in montanes can cause death. My experience dictates to always use cool water. As Kara says, what may seem like lukewarm to us may be too hot for a cold-blooded animal.
FWIW: I shower my montanes in cool to warm water because when I've made the mistake of using even slightly hot water they've either avoided the water and/or started blanching and gaping because of the excess heat. Prolonged exposure to hot temps in montanes can cause death. My experience dictates to always use cool water. As Kara says, what may seem like lukewarm to us may be too hot for a cold-blooded animal.
Texas Panther Man
New Member
To the OP. If the water was lukewarm to you then Im sure the cham was perfectly fine. He was probably just pissed being in a shower on a stick. He had no way to retreat from the spray and no way to feel secure because there was no foliage around him. Pssh you have no way of knowing for sure if that cham was feeling any type of discomfort. You were not there and theres no way you can make that judgement just by the OP discription of the cham. Instead of freaking the OP out you could have simply stated that he should have used a plant and to make sure his temps are in check.
