frogs with chameleons
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Julirs
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This is a No-Go. Humidity requirements are different, and as stated your frog could end up to be chameleon food, or vice versa depending on what kind of frog you have. A frog will certainly stress out your chameleon, and if you have a female you will need a laying bin when she is 5 months or older.
Julirs
New Member
Females can lay eggs as early as 5 months, with or without the presence of a male. Too high temps and over feeding can contribute to early laying and large clutches, which can reduce a females lifespan. At a young age they may or may not show gravid colors (dark to black with the orange splotches), but will start to get "fat" looking and may slow down eating. It is just best to have a laying bin in the cage starting at 5 months just in case. Better safe than eggbound. A laying bin can be as simple as a 10"-12" tall and 10"-12" wide plastic flower pot filled with moist organic soil, sand, or a mixture. I generally use Bed-A-Beast mixed with playsand.
Syn
Avid Member
What sort of research did you do before buying a chameleon, if any?
Elizadolots
New Member
They're likely to be competitors for food, which isn't really the best relationship.
You might be able to set it up so they appear to be living together but in fact, are separated and cannot easily see each other.
You might be able to set it up so they appear to be living together but in fact, are separated and cannot easily see each other.
Ellron
Established Member
Dude the answer is no. Its not going to work.
You really need to focus on caring for the chameleon. Chameleons are fragile animals with complex husbandry.
If you are an amazing veteran chameleon owner you might this a try. I wouldn't not recommend it.
As far as the divider, screen would not suffice.
You really need to focus on caring for the chameleon. Chameleons are fragile animals with complex husbandry.
If you are an amazing veteran chameleon owner you might this a try. I wouldn't not recommend it.
As far as the divider, screen would not suffice.
Syn
Avid Member
I see.. their return policy really isn't that bad. I guess I am just not understanding your situation.
Any who, your question was answered. Don't put frogs with chameleons.
You said
That must be very hard to get the water out of. Have you tried getting a full screen cage?
You said
This is research you should have done as soon as you knew she was female. I am not the best person to give you an answer on this because I do not ever plan on breeding veiled chameleons. However, read this blog: http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/
Julirs also said
You said
Ellron gave it to you.... just out of curiosity what country are you from?
But here it is again....
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?
Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
Ace
Avid Member
HEllo Mystery,
Please dont feel angry or insulted by a few of the "Senior Members". Mostly everyone in the forums is kind enough to bring you information. And as far as keeping the frogs and cham together. please really consider of getting a seperate screen cage for the cham. Females tend to start laying eggs around 5months or so. YOu can see the signs by a loss of appetite, starting to become largeraround the belly, and just do more research on female veiled care. Even though the forums has experienced cham owners and breeders it is ultimatley up to you to inquire and aquire the knowledge needed to own a veiled cham. And i know its a bit time consuming but for many members to help you as best as they can, it would be a good idea to fill the form.
Hope everything goes well regarding both your frogs and cham.
Please dont feel angry or insulted by a few of the "Senior Members". Mostly everyone in the forums is kind enough to bring you information. And as far as keeping the frogs and cham together. please really consider of getting a seperate screen cage for the cham. Females tend to start laying eggs around 5months or so. YOu can see the signs by a loss of appetite, starting to become largeraround the belly, and just do more research on female veiled care. Even though the forums has experienced cham owners and breeders it is ultimatley up to you to inquire and aquire the knowledge needed to own a veiled cham. And i know its a bit time consuming but for many members to help you as best as they can, it would be a good idea to fill the form.
Hope everything goes well regarding both your frogs and cham.
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - female 5 month old veiled, had for 2 weeks
Handling - to move when cleaning the cage
Feeding - she eats about 5 crickets in morning, about 3 mealworms at night and dust with fluckers
Watering -I have an automated mister which sprays every 3 hours for 45 secs, with distilled water
Fecal Description - dark brown oval shaped, was tested for parasites when bought
History -N/A
Cage Info:
Cage Type - 55 gal tank with a 5ftx2ftx1ft screened encloser on top
Lighting - exo terra 5.0 18" flurecent w/ 100 watt basking lamp and 100 watt infared lamp
Temperature - i maintain a 78 on the floor w/ about a 98 on the top. I monitor 4 levels in the terrarium
Humidity -between 45 and 60, I use a waterfall w/ fogger and no live plants
Placement - in my living room w/ low to moderate traffic
Location -Tx
current Problem -N/A
Your Chameleon - female 5 month old veiled, had for 2 weeks
Handling - to move when cleaning the cage
Feeding - she eats about 5 crickets in morning, about 3 mealworms at night and dust with fluckers
Watering -I have an automated mister which sprays every 3 hours for 45 secs, with distilled water
Fecal Description - dark brown oval shaped, was tested for parasites when bought
History -N/A
Cage Info:
Cage Type - 55 gal tank with a 5ftx2ftx1ft screened encloser on top
Lighting - exo terra 5.0 18" flurecent w/ 100 watt basking lamp and 100 watt infared lamp
Temperature - i maintain a 78 on the floor w/ about a 98 on the top. I monitor 4 levels in the terrarium
Humidity -between 45 and 60, I use a waterfall w/ fogger and no live plants
Placement - in my living room w/ low to moderate traffic
Location -Tx
current Problem -N/A
Syn
Avid Member
WOAH, 98 basking spot? A waterfall? I suppose I'm glad I was "degrading"!
I can't give you a full reply as I'm posting from my phone but I can tell you you will need to drop the basking spot at least 10 degrees and get rid of that waterfall. Hopefully someone can give you a more detailed response in the mean time while I'm stuck.
I can't give you a full reply as I'm posting from my phone but I can tell you you will need to drop the basking spot at least 10 degrees and get rid of that waterfall. Hopefully someone can give you a more detailed response in the mean time while I'm stuck.
Syn
Avid Member
Waterfalls equal bacteria. Do a search on it using the forum's search function. Yes they termoregulate but that doesn't mean she won't burn herself. Higher temperatures will make her lay eggs more often and thus shorten her lifespan. I highly suggest reading that blog link I sent you a few posts back!
Ace
Avid Member
Hey Again,
i got my male veiled cham from a breeder selling the babies on craigslist. I made sure they looked healthy by seeing bulgy eyes not sunken in, active during the day, appetite, etc. i had him for about 3 years but unfortanelty had to sell him cuz at the time my life was getting busy and my family were going through rough times But i found him a good home almost a year ago. And before i got him i researched on chams for about 3 months. That way i feel secure about my knowledge and be able to discuss with other cham owners how to care for chams. i am only 16 years old but luv chams to the point of becoming a future vet for exotic and domestic animals.
And i do agree with Syn with "Only" the information he brings to this thread about caring for female veiled chams.
Temp: basking light should be 85-90 degrees Max cooler areas 70-75
Himdity:can tolerate between 40-60%
Lights: heat lamp fixture with 60-75 watt( depends on the temp.) regular hardware light bulb and uvb reptisun 5.0 light and fixture. reptiglo is not recommended..
Enclosure:all screen cage size recommended 18x18x36 maybe bigger to place a bin with soil and dirt for when she lays the infertile eggs( they wont hatch)
Plants: hibiscus, ficus, pothos, umbrella plant live plants preferred to add humidity- the waterfall does breed bacteria trhat may harm the cham
water: spray bottle mist 3-5 times a day for about 2mins depends
food: crickets staple diet(6-10 crickets per day during the day, they sleep at night like us), superworms(better than mealworms dont use mealworms anymore because has too much shell not enough meat), silkworms, ornworms, roaches, lucust, veggies too if you can like collard greens or romaine lettuce
gutload your feeder insects with fruits and vegetables overall gives great nutrtioion to the cham.
supplements: repcal w/d3 and repcal without d3, and herptivite
lightly dust the feeder insects with the supplememts. how many times to supplement is very debateble in this forum- mostly the forum likes to use
repcal w/ d3 once or 2x a month
herptivite once or 2x a month
repcal without d3 3-4 times a week
due more research like i said.
do not have subrstate on the floor in the sxcreen cage- use paper towels for easy clean up.
i do not know much for the care for female veileds but what i put is the general care for veiled cham...
Good luck!!!!!!!
i got my male veiled cham from a breeder selling the babies on craigslist. I made sure they looked healthy by seeing bulgy eyes not sunken in, active during the day, appetite, etc. i had him for about 3 years but unfortanelty had to sell him cuz at the time my life was getting busy and my family were going through rough times
But i found him a good home almost a year ago. And before i got him i researched on chams for about 3 months. That way i feel secure about my knowledge and be able to discuss with other cham owners how to care for chams. i am only 16 years old but luv chams to the point of becoming a future vet for exotic and domestic animals. And i do agree with Syn with "Only" the information he brings to this thread about caring for female veiled chams.
Temp: basking light should be 85-90 degrees Max cooler areas 70-75
Himdity:can tolerate between 40-60%
Lights: heat lamp fixture with 60-75 watt( depends on the temp.) regular hardware light bulb and uvb reptisun 5.0 light and fixture. reptiglo is not recommended..
Enclosure:all screen cage size recommended 18x18x36 maybe bigger to place a bin with soil and dirt for when she lays the infertile eggs( they wont hatch)
Plants: hibiscus, ficus, pothos, umbrella plant live plants preferred to add humidity- the waterfall does breed bacteria trhat may harm the cham
water: spray bottle mist 3-5 times a day for about 2mins depends
food: crickets staple diet(6-10 crickets per day during the day, they sleep at night like us), superworms(better than mealworms dont use mealworms anymore because has too much shell not enough meat), silkworms, ornworms, roaches, lucust, veggies too if you can like collard greens or romaine lettuce
gutload your feeder insects with fruits and vegetables overall gives great nutrtioion to the cham.
supplements: repcal w/d3 and repcal without d3, and herptivite
lightly dust the feeder insects with the supplememts. how many times to supplement is very debateble in this forum- mostly the forum likes to use
repcal w/ d3 once or 2x a month
herptivite once or 2x a month
repcal without d3 3-4 times a week
due more research like i said.
do not have subrstate on the floor in the sxcreen cage- use paper towels for easy clean up.
i do not know much for the care for female veileds but what i put is the general care for veiled cham...
Good luck!!!!!!!
Elizadolots
New Member
Well, in the deletion frenzy, my comments about dividing the cage up went away.
mystery, did you get the waterfall for the frog? There are a couple of reasons people don't like that sort of thing for chameleons, one is that they seem drawn to poop in the water. Unless you are prepared to clean it out every day, it's going to be circulating bacteria laden moisture, which isn't what you want. The second is the danger of the chameleon falling in and drowning. Again, something you don't want.
If it's possible to completely separate the areas so the waterfall is with the frog and cannot be used by as a chameleon potty, then you might be able to pull it off, but separating them would be easier and safer.
The "raising kitty" link Syn provided is essential reading. It's well worth the time it takes to poke around, however, I really want you to find the article on keeping females. This will give you lots of important information.
mystery, did you get the waterfall for the frog? There are a couple of reasons people don't like that sort of thing for chameleons, one is that they seem drawn to poop in the water. Unless you are prepared to clean it out every day, it's going to be circulating bacteria laden moisture, which isn't what you want. The second is the danger of the chameleon falling in and drowning. Again, something you don't want.
If it's possible to completely separate the areas so the waterfall is with the frog and cannot be used by as a chameleon potty, then you might be able to pull it off, but separating them would be easier and safer.
The "raising kitty" link Syn provided is essential reading. It's well worth the time it takes to poke around, however, I really want you to find the article on keeping females. This will give you lots of important information.
