Finally!
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CleaTheChameleon
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That sucks big time!
I hope the one that survives, and stays strong for you.
Keep us updated
I hope the one that survives, and stays strong for you.
Keep us updated
ijmccollum
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Some days are bittersweet. Todays seems as such.
I have been waiting for your "arrived" post as much as you have been anticipating your arrivals. My heart is with you and I wish you and the surviving well, and better times.
Hang in there, keep us posted.
*hugs across the wires*
I have been waiting for your "arrived" post as much as you have been anticipating your arrivals. My heart is with you and I wish you and the surviving well, and better times.
Hang in there, keep us posted.
*hugs across the wires*
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
Well five looked somewhat like a lizard. The rest looked like poo with really yellow urates. The little one is looking good and he has nice full eyes, has drank and is an active little dude. I will post pictures in a minute to show off my little guy.
ijmccollum
New Member
Let 'em rest -- you rest too! Tomorrow will bring it's own challenges.
Chase
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Ok guys. Here are some pictures(as promised). Sorry for the little amount, I woke Ducky(the mother) up to show a picture. Also- that is why her eyes seemed closed, she just woke up. Does anyone else think as well her belly still seems big, or is it just me?
LPR08
Oh, by the way, his name is Eripui. Which is latin, roughly translating into rescued.
EDIT: Strangely enough Eripui was not asleep when I took the pictures. But, is asleep now.
LPR08
Oh, by the way, his name is Eripui. Which is latin, roughly translating into rescued.
EDIT: Strangely enough Eripui was not asleep when I took the pictures. But, is asleep now.
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SpinyFranky
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HE IS SO CUTE!
Now I want a Xanth... and Montanes in general.... and a Melleri.... and a everything! DARN YOU!!!!!!
seriously though, im sorry to hear about the rest, and idea why they didn't come out as expected?
I hope the little one does well with you and momma looks like a trooper.
S.F
Now I want a Xanth... and Montanes in general.... and a Melleri.... and a everything! DARN YOU!!!!!!
seriously though, im sorry to hear about the rest, and idea why they didn't come out as expected?
I hope the little one does well with you
and momma looks like a trooper.S.F
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
No idea. Some people have reported difficulty with them having them. There were two, that looked like they could have been fully developedand survived, but didn't make it out of the embryonic sac? But, maybe they were still births? Like I said, she looks big still, could she have stopped in the middle because she got scared by something?
LPR08
xanthoman
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looks like a tie
wondering when it would happen, sorry it didnt go well, most likely a conditioning issue, gravid females require a little extra calcium intake, i think during gravid & post gravid stage, occassional supplementing with additional liquid calcium glubionate is in order, as well as tiny bit of extra multivites, moms often have a tendency to go down hill, post birthing. if ever there was a time to use preformed vitamin A , now would be it. i would suggest a monthly dusting of repashy super-min (for 3-4 months and then every 6 weeks) , it has low amount of both preformed and proformed vitaminA, it also has small amounts of d-3 but the dosages are low, so it shouldnt matter early on. it would also be a good time to discontinue any rep-cal with d3 and get the mom some natural sun, if you are able. i know it has been a harrowing experience for you, but it has been a near death experience for the mom, mbd and death both remain a possibility, probably wouldnt hurt to up the humidity/ mistings for a while either. it would also be a good time to clean her cage and get her, her favorite chow in ample amounts. she has been through a lot so it would probably be best to give her her space, pamper her, but not bother her any more than absolutely neccessary for a while. is the little one active at all?, and does it ever sit with its mouth open?, if so, thats a good opportunity to get a single drop of bug juice in, if its not eating. i know because of the loss of the clutch, there is an overwhelming desire, to save the remaining neonate at all cost. now its decision time, the reality is that it is not likely that the little one will make it long term, now you have to decide whether you are up for the challenge of babysitting it 24 hrs a day, or if it is not strong and healthy, it might save you both some hardship, if you just let it pass. either way, its not an easy thing, hopefully this will lead to a better clutch next time. in regards to her size ; in healthy birthings, All babies are usually dropped in well under 3 hrs, but, in unhealthy birthings, its not uncommon for them to drop a couple more, a day or two later, now would be a terrible time to take a blood sample , but there are obviously some nutritional issues, and if mom is not looking in top shape one month from now, it might be a good idea to have a blood panel done, if you are able. also, if you have access to a microscope, it wouldnt be a bad idea to do a fecal float on the mom, and a fecal smear on the neonate , those things you can do now without disturbing them. (doesnt really matter if the neonate showed positive , its much to small to treat for anything anyway, still nice to know what you are up against) jmo
wondering when it would happen, sorry it didnt go well, most likely a conditioning issue, gravid females require a little extra calcium intake, i think during gravid & post gravid stage, occassional supplementing with additional liquid calcium glubionate is in order, as well as tiny bit of extra multivites, moms often have a tendency to go down hill, post birthing. if ever there was a time to use preformed vitamin A , now would be it. i would suggest a monthly dusting of repashy super-min (for 3-4 months and then every 6 weeks) , it has low amount of both preformed and proformed vitaminA, it also has small amounts of d-3 but the dosages are low, so it shouldnt matter early on. it would also be a good time to discontinue any rep-cal with d3 and get the mom some natural sun, if you are able. i know it has been a harrowing experience for you, but it has been a near death experience for the mom, mbd and death both remain a possibility, probably wouldnt hurt to up the humidity/ mistings for a while either. it would also be a good time to clean her cage and get her, her favorite chow in ample amounts. she has been through a lot so it would probably be best to give her her space, pamper her, but not bother her any more than absolutely neccessary for a while. is the little one active at all?, and does it ever sit with its mouth open?, if so, thats a good opportunity to get a single drop of bug juice in, if its not eating. i know because of the loss of the clutch, there is an overwhelming desire, to save the remaining neonate at all cost. now its decision time, the reality is that it is not likely that the little one will make it long term, now you have to decide whether you are up for the challenge of babysitting it 24 hrs a day, or if it is not strong and healthy, it might save you both some hardship, if you just let it pass. either way, its not an easy thing, hopefully this will lead to a better clutch next time. in regards to her size ; in healthy birthings, All babies are usually dropped in well under 3 hrs, but, in unhealthy birthings, its not uncommon for them to drop a couple more, a day or two later, now would be a terrible time to take a blood sample , but there are obviously some nutritional issues, and if mom is not looking in top shape one month from now, it might be a good idea to have a blood panel done, if you are able. also, if you have access to a microscope, it wouldnt be a bad idea to do a fecal float on the mom, and a fecal smear on the neonate , those things you can do now without disturbing them. (doesnt really matter if the neonate showed positive , its much to small to treat for anything anyway, still nice to know what you are up against) jmo
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Chase
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Yes the little one is active. I have seen him drink and he is crawling around and doing his little thing. He will be put in his actual home this afternoon- right now he is in a make due home with some scheffelera(sp?) in it for him to grab onto. Xantho- Is this how big your microneonates were? Also- she might have the others today or tomorrow? Will the results be similar to those I observed yesterday? This guy looks like a fighter, let's hope he makes it!
LPR08
xanthoman
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hard to say about the size without weighing, even with weighing, my scale only goes down to .1 increments, so at .5g there could easily be a margin of error +/- 20%. dont want to dash your hopes, but, its unlikely that any healthier ones will come out, if any come out at all./ early on , i did fecal smear microscopy that revealed some sort of swimming parasite in the micro neonate feces. the video was shared with DAVE WELDON, who as always, was emensly helpful. i tried to post it, but couldnt figure out the conversion of the 3gp file, if dave still has it, he is welcome to post it. anyway, not much you can do in a situation like that. its not like you can treat a .5g neonate. i would say his best chances would be in a container of less than 1 gal. its almost impossible to maintain the necessary density of feeders in anything larger than that. mine was kept in a .5 gal plastic betta tank, that was cleaned daily, it lost all interest in food about week 5, and died on its 2 month birthday, it was kept alive the last three weeks by tricking it into a daily drop of bug juice. its hard when you lose a special needs chameleon like that because you have to put a larger piece of yourself into it, in order for it to have a chance to survive, if i had it to do over again , i would have just let it pass. its amazing how a mere, extra .4g can make all of the difference in the world. jmo
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Chase
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Thanks for the info. Like I said- at least he is drinking, that's a positive thing to make me feel happy he is here.
joshua n janet
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i say u should keep the bebe it can be a sign
Chase
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Thanks for the positive words!
