Feeling Guilty

[Zen Reptiles]

I have felt the same way about stick bugs and hissing cockroaches.

It feels like they are just a little more majestic than crickets or superworms lol.

 

[Solid Snake]

The only thing Ive ever felt bad about feeding, was that cicada.

The thing literally just molted in a jar, then it was dumped straight into a cage, and eaten. Never even got to use its wings, or crawl more than a few inches. ;/

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

It's kind of similar to having a lamb or veil dinner. This feeder I have considered and if I had the proper facilities I probably would breed these of something similar for my larger chameleons. Much more guilty than mantis though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JcGNtOxfp88#!

 

[DanSB]

It's kind of similar to having a lamb or veil dinner. This feeder I have considered and if I had the proper facilities I probably would breed these of something similar for my larger chameleons. Much more guilty than mantis though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JcGNtOxfp88#!

In Indonesia (and likely many other places) they use dogs as feeders for giant snakes...

I guess it is really all just a matter of perspective. I can't get mad if something is being killed for food and not for fun.

What really makes me mad though is when people feed mice or other feeders that aren't appropriate for the animal just because they like to watch it get killed. That's a little sick to me...

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

In Indonesia (and likely many other places) they use dogs as feeders for giant snakes...

I guess it is really all just a matter of perspective. I can't get mad if something is being killed for food and not for fun.

What really makes me mad though is when people feed mice or other feeders that aren't appropriate for the animal just because they like to watch it get killed. That's a little sick to me...

Yeah I hear you. It has been theorized for a long while now that larger chameleons naturally feed on small invertebrates more than previously assumed, documented and though. Including small lizards, small birds and small mammals. This meaning it is part of their ecological niche in their native habitat.

 

[DanSB]

Do you mean small vertebrates?

I am certain they would pick off anything they can fit in their mouth that gets close which would include all manner of small arboreal verts especially birds and I wold think the button quail would make for excellent feeders. I would also look into something like zebra finches.

One of my issues is feeding lots of mice to turtles or animals that quite obviously aren't built to catch them in the wild...

If an animal is built to catch and eat something that naturally occurs in it's habitat chances are it has evolved to eat it.

Yeah I hear you. It has been theorized for a long while now that larger chameleons naturally feed on small invertebrates more than previously assumed, documented and though. Including small lizards, small birds and small mammals. This meaning it is part of their ecological niche in their native habitat.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Do you mean small vertebrates?

I am certain they would pick off anything they can fit in their mouth that gets close which would include all manner of small arboreal verts especially birds and I wold think the button quail would make for excellent feeders. I would also look into something like zebra finches.

One of my issues is feeding lots of mice to turtles or animals that quite obviously aren't built to catch them in the wild...

If an animal is built to catch and eat something that naturally occurs in it's habitat chances are it has evolved to eat it.

I hear you about that.

There have been a couple keepers that have bred Zebra Finches for a while for their chameleons. I have not heard of any recently though. I would consider that for my chameleons though.

 

[DanSB]

There are button quail on Madagascar so that might be good. Back to the point of the thread I was looking at a lot of the small birds on Madagascar and as expected most are considered threatened or endangered.

I would think an endangered feeder might make you feel a little guilty?

I hear you about that.

There have been a couple keepers that have bred Zebra Finches for a while for their chameleons. I have not heard of any recently though. I would consider that for mine though.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

There are button quail on Madagascar so that might be good. Back to the point of the thread I was looking at a lot of the small birds on Madagascar and as expected most are considered threatened or endangered.

I would think an endangered feeder might make you feel a little guilty?

I would not consider an endangered species as a feeder to begin with. Meaning I'm all good here no guilt.

 

[DanSB]

I would not consider an endangered species as a feeder to begin with. Meaning I'm all good here no guilt.

Okay fine be reasonable!

I would probably feel bad feeding off most birds but if it is natural and healthy I would definitely still do it.