westcoastchameleons
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Tamatave Girl:
Ambilobe Girl:
Diego Saurez Girl:
Thanks,
Jake
Ambilobe Girl:
Diego Saurez Girl:
Thanks,
Jake
f. pardalis females, please post pictures
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Vibrant Chameleons
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That's not what you had stated in your first comment. All you said was "they are all the same", which is VERY untrue. That's just like saying all Nosy Be, Ankaramy, Nosy Mitsio, Tamatave MALES, ect ect ect... are all the same. They all look similar but have their differences. That is the point I'm making to you.
Yes it's very hard to distinguish a female panthers locale, but that's not what this thread was about. Dank simply wanted to see females from different locales, and they are obviously not all the same, just like the males.
Dankmeleon
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jesus christ thats a female?
Vibrant Chameleons
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LMAO. I was about to comment on the size of Kents female as well. She's definitely a BIG Mama. haha.
Vegas Chad
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LoL… oooooook. I’ll bow out of this here thread.
Dankmeleon
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I think what Chad was trying to say, is that there are of course differences from female to female, but that there is more variation within each locale than there is on whole between the different locales. Plus, females can look different from one day to the next.
There is more variation between females from the same region than there is from one region to the next...
Sorry Chad if that's not how you meant it. That's how i see it...
There is more variation between females from the same region than there is from one region to the next...
Sorry Chad if that's not how you meant it. That's how i see it...
SoCaliSon
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I was blown away as well... That looks like a Juvie Male... Never seen a Fem with so much blue! Nice looking Girl Kent!
Vibrant Chameleons
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That's definitely not what was posted at the beginning of the thread. He simply stated "All girls look the same".
Glittergloomgirl
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This is My girl Freya.
I got this female from Chameleons by Design last year and I pretty sure she is wild caught.
She has a green head and toes, her cheeks are purple. Her Body is a yellowish orange.
When she is mad the stripes turn black, when she is relaxed they are a kinda dark green.
Any suggestions as to her Locale non of my other Ambilobe females look like her.
She is still getting over her mouth things....
I got this female from Chameleons by Design last year and I pretty sure she is wild caught.
She has a green head and toes, her cheeks are purple. Her Body is a yellowish orange.
When she is mad the stripes turn black, when she is relaxed they are a kinda dark green.
Any suggestions as to her Locale non of my other Ambilobe females look like her.
She is still getting over her mouth things....
Vibrant Chameleons
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That's a super looking female Noelle. I wouldn't even begin to guess her locale but she's definitely a sweetie.
Thank you, I read that. I took it to mean, "Females don't have distinct colors/patterns that make them look different from females of other locales..."
He also makes a second post where he elaborates a bit and asks some questions that you should probably answer if you think he is wrong. Could you ID the locale of 5 random females by looking at them? Could you ID a bunch of WC females that all came together in a shipment?
Vibrant Chameleons
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Once again Joe, that's not what this thread is about as I clearly stated. You can take that comment whatever way you want to, but it is what it is. He made a statement saying every female is the same, which they are not.
Here's a question for you. Could you tell me where a specific CB MALE chameleon of whatever locale you want to identify came from? No you couldn't. Every panther chameleon is different in shape and or coloration.
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BTW- it's unlike me to jump in with somebody like this, in fact, I actually don't like Chad at all... (sorry Chad). But I agreed with what he was saying and he was exiting the argument so i thought i'd pick it up and run with it.
Since none of you actually know the locales of the females you are examining for defining and unique characteristics, the rest is pointless. Again, since none of you collected your females from the wild yourselves, you can't even say that yours is an Ambanja female, or nosy be, ect... let alone say that "this is what a typical ambanja female looks like".
I'll say it again. None of you know the locale of your females. I don't care if it was supposedly WC from a particular place or if it was captive bred by the country's top chameleon breeder. You might think you have a "pure" pair of Ambilobes and you're going to produce "pure ambilobies", but that is a joke and it shows that you don't understand much about speciation, capture and transport of exotic reptiles, and human nature.
Has anyone ever read "the complete chondro" by Greg Maxwell? You "purist" cham people could learn a hell of a lot from that book.
Since none of you actually know the locales of the females you are examining for defining and unique characteristics, the rest is pointless. Again, since none of you collected your females from the wild yourselves, you can't even say that yours is an Ambanja female, or nosy be, ect... let alone say that "this is what a typical ambanja female looks like".
I'll say it again. None of you know the locale of your females. I don't care if it was supposedly WC from a particular place or if it was captive bred by the country's top chameleon breeder. You might think you have a "pure" pair of Ambilobes and you're going to produce "pure ambilobies", but that is a joke and it shows that you don't understand much about speciation, capture and transport of exotic reptiles, and human nature.
Has anyone ever read "the complete chondro" by Greg Maxwell? You "purist" cham people could learn a hell of a lot from that book.
Vegas Chad
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That is exactly what I meant Joe!
If an unmarked shipment were to come in with male panthers that were pink after a few sheds I would think that the local would be rather obvious or at least lend a *really* good guess as to what it is. Same thing with a really green/blue chameleon… Or whatever. The point that I was trying to make (which you said) is that even though females can look different from one another there is no tattoo on them that has what local they are… For example a Sambava usually has the nice U on its back. A female Sambava lacks this U, and looks a whole bunch like a Blue Bar female and that blue bar sure look’s like a Nosy Be too... Until I learn to speak chameleon I will never claim to know the local of ANY female just by looking at it. So in conclusion… They all look the same… HAHAHA
That depends on the male. Some obviously display colors that are characteristic of a particular island or region. I might be able to look at the CB male and say that at least one of the parents was from Nosy be ancestry... something i could not do with a female because they do not display distinctive coloration from one region to the next... males do.
Vibrant Chameleons
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I'll say it once more. This thread was started to take a look at FEMALES of different locales. It wasn't started to see if someone could tell WHAT locale it IS. It was started to see the different colorations in FEMALES.
Vibrant Chameleons
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Joe, if you are so confident, I'd love to see you tell apart a Pure Nosy Be MALE and a Nosy Be/Ambanja cross. I'd put money on it that you'd be wrong 50% of the time. It's just a GUESS.
