Experienced Breeder Help Needed Please

[kokom05lb]

Good morning!

Well I know that my husband and I have talked about breeding Ringo and Starr when she comes of age. Which should be about 6 months from now. So I was going to start now with questions. Now Starr is a little girl she's about half of the size of Ringo and I really don't think that she's going to get any bigger. Ringo and Starr have met before and she is absolutely not afraid of him. He's more afraid of her. She wanted to climb on him and he was like "what the heck mom? Why is this chick trying to climb on me?" But my question here is since she's much smaller than him and when it comes to the time for breeding, will he hurt her since he's so much bigger?

If things go well and she does become pregnant, I believe I read that it will take her up to 30 days to lay. Am I correct? If not please let me know.
What's the best way to incubate?
How long is the incubation period?
What feeders should I have on hand when babies are born?

Now this question is to prove my husbands granny wrong. She told me that if I eVer breed that I should leave them at a vet door step and leave. She doesn't like pets so she tells me hurtful things about my reptiles. She told me that I couldn't sell the babies no matter what. So my question is... If I sell locally only do I need a permit to sell? Or even only do I need a permit?

Also since I'm really concerned about Starr's size and breeding her. If she doesn't get bigger in the next 6-9 months (she's about 8-9 months old now) should I look into getting another female? I would be keeping Starr but hubby still wants to breed Ringo at least once.

Thank you

 

[Dez]

Male panthers are larger than females. I have never had a male hurt a female but I have heard it can happen. Usually the female will get a little bruised of scratched in the place where the male holds on to her, but nothing more than that.....usually

Yes it can take up to 30 days to lay. You will usually be able to feel or see the eggs forming inside her belly.

We incubate for 6 to 9 months at a temp of 70 to 78 degrees. We use the closet method and not an incubator . But use an incubator if you want.

When the babies hatch they can be feed fruit flies and pinhead crickets. They will not eat for the first 2 or 3 days after hatch because they live off the yoke during that time.

You will have to check with your state laws about a license. In FL you need a class 3 license to sell and exhibit wildlife. (Chameleons count as wildlife). This is a bigger issue if you where to sell at expos a shows. Not so much selling off Craigslist.


I seem to remember that Texas has no rules about it, But check with your state fish and wildlife anyway.

 

[sandrachameleon]

You may find some these links useful to your research:
Some Thoughts On Breeding
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleo.../breeding.html
[Incubator] Is this right..?
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs...aying-bin.html
Breeding Advice
https://www.chameleonforums.com/final...ing-now-15125/
eggs
https://www.chameleonforums.com/eggs-...se-help-14441/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/vermi...x-ratio-10772/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/reall...egarding-9166/
in need of advice
https://www.chameleonforums.com/hatch...ugh-side-4740/
Veiled Eggs Help
https://www.chameleonforums.com/your-...ding-age-5251/
Breeding Panthers
Breeding panthers
https://www.chameleonforums.com/i-bred-my-female-10299/
Babies Update!!!
http://chameleonnews.com/05OctDescampsFrancis.html
http://chameleonnews.com/02JulStrand.html
http://chameleonnews.com/06MayAnders...pulations.html
Laying Bin Set Up - Educational Video

 

[sandrachameleon]

Also, in addition to fruit flies and pin-head size crickets,
you can offer bean beetles, very small/baby silkworms, very small / baby mealworms and any other prey that is of the appropriate size.

 

[kokom05lb]

Thank you Dez and Sandra

 

[ibdragons]

May I add that I have breed larger males with smaller females not too small though. As in veiled I did it once and he seemed more agressive. Especially on the branches he didn't care if she was comfortable.. what I did was place both of them in a small cage with no branches. Both of them on the floor made it easy and less agressive.
Now on you tube I seen a owner put a small female in with a large male and when she came back the tail of the female was sticking out of the males mouth.
Not too scare you maybe the female was way too small just when you first put her in there dont leave them alone. I hope this helps . I'm not an expert breeder but I've been a lot of breeding I have a lot of eggs and a lot of babies.good luck.

 

[Dez]

. I seen a owner put a small female in with a large male and when she came back the tail of the female was sticking out of the males mouth.

What? Like the male ate the female or the male bit part of her tail off? I can't imagine a male eating a full grown female..a juvi yes but not an adult.

It's best to watch them anyway to make sure the female is receptive .. also to watch for accidents... Such as the male tearing his male parts on a branch.

 

[ibdragons]

What? Like the male ate the female or the male bit part of her tail off? I can't imagine a male eating a full grown female..a juvi yes but not an adult.

It's best to watch them anyway to make sure the female is receptive .. also to watch for accidents... Such as the male tearing his male parts on a branch.

Yes the male ate the female look it up on you tube .I forgot what its under but someone posted it here on the forums. I'll look for it. You can hear the owner saying omg that is disgusting.

 

[ibdragons]

Found it its under (veiled chameleon eating veiled chameleon. )on YouTube
And I just seen it I correct myself the owner says beep gross thats not right. And Dez it doesn't look like a baby veiled.

 

[DavidBuchan]

I have Veiled eggs in the incubator right now, I understand your concerns. I can't add anything else useful due to having no experience........except to say your husbands granny sounds evil. My Great-grandmother was the same. Bitter old people are the worst Please don't take anything she says to heart. She is wrong
My female was of course smaller than Rinty when I bred them. Here are my videos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FO4n2Aans&list=UUAfRQzxDvwxAghCmLyLhopw&index=22 and this one are my favourites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcTwDdKTFY&list=UUAfRQzxDvwxAghCmLyLhopw&index=22 As you can see, he is quite gentle. Sometimes males are too aggressive, so you might have to watch and see what happens lol

 

[Olimpia]

When my pair mated the first time he was awkward because he didn't quite know what to do but my female was no worse for wear. He doesn't look like he has the romantic touch but afterwards my female didn't have a single scratch on her, so he was surprisingly more gentle than it seemed!

Oh don't mind me, I'm just going to hold on to your face.

 

[sandrachameleon]

... what I did was place both of them in a small cage with no branches. Both of them on the floor made it easy and less agressive.

I would rather have lots of branches and space to allow the female to get away from the male easily if she isnt interested in mating.

 

[DavidBuchan]

Oh don't mind me, I'm just going to hold on to your face.

Lol Olimpia They have a tight grip eh?

 

[kokom05lb]

What if I let them free range? I don't know, but hoping that we can get our own place soon and hoping to have a couple free range areas

 

[ibdragons]

I would rather have lots of branches and space to allow the female to get away from the male easily if she isnt interested in mating.

I have put them with branches and when the female is small I put them on the floor.if she rejects him I separate them.