Effective ways to keep a tank floor poop-free?

[MissSkittles]

Any big box home improvement store carries ceramic floor tile. I'd get it as big as possible that will fit, and leave space around the edges (and maybe a little between the tiles in lieu of grout) for runoff.

I’ve been wondering...with ungrouted tile, doesn’t waste go between the tiles?

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

I would rather use that in my enclosure then natures miracle that has a strong odor.

Interesting. You think NM has a strong odor but Dawn doesn't? I think they both do.
Have you been tested for COVID lately? ?(Covid symptom: New loss of taste or smell )

Let's see...

[Dawn] Ingredients

INGREDIENT	FUNCTION	WHAT IS IT	WHY IS IT IN THERE?
WATER	solvent	water	holds ingredients together
SODIUM LAURYL SULFATE	surfactant	cleaning agent	provides cleaning
SODIUM LAURETH SULFATE	surfactant	cleaning agent	provides cleaning
C10-16 ALKYLDIME-THYLAMINE OXIDE	surfactant	cleaning agent	boosts cleaning
ALCOHOL DENAT.	solvent	solvent*	stabilizes formula
PPG-26	viscosity adjuster	solvent*	stabilizes formula
SODIUM CHLORIDE	viscosity adjuster	salt	thickener
SODIUM HYDROXIDE	pH adjuster	mineral based pH adjuster	balances formula pH
PEI-14 PEG-24/PPG-16 COPOLYMER	cleaning agent	cleaning agent	boosts cleaning
PHENOXYETHANOL	solvent	solvent*	stabilizes formula
FRAGRANCES	fragrance	perfume	adds scent to product
METHYLISOTHIAZO-LINONE	preservative	non-formaldehyde preservative	preservative
COLORANTS, BLUE 1,YELLOW 5, RED 33	colorant	colorant	adds color to product
C9-11 PARETH-8	surfactant	cleaning agent	gently aids soil removal
STYRENE/ACRYLATES COPOLYMER	opacifier	opacifier**	makes product opaque
TETRASODIUM GLUTAMATE DIACETATE	water softener	chelant	boosts soil removal
CHLOROXYLENOL	antibacterial agent	antibacterial agent	decreases bacteria on the skin when used as a hand soap
PHENOXY-ISOPROPANOL	solvent	solvent*	enhances grease cutting
GLYCERIN	viscosity adjuster	process aid	stabilizes formula
SODIUM CUMENE-SULFONATE	process aid	process aid	stabilizes formula
PROPYLENE GLYCOL	solvent	solvent*	stabilizes formula
TERPINEOL	solvent	solvent*	enhances grease cutting

[Nature's Miracle] Ingredients
Water, natures enzymes, isopropyl alcohol, natural citrus scent.

I think I'll stick with Nature's Miracle.

 

[Beman]

Interesting. You think NM has a strong odor but Dawn doesn't? I think they both do.
Have you been tested for COVID lately? ?(Covid symptom: New loss of taste or smell )

Let's see...

[Dawn] Ingredients

[Nature's Miracle] Ingredients
Water, natures enzymes, isopropyl alcohol, natural citrus scent.

I think I'll stick with Nature's Miracle.

kinda a back handed comment there. And interesting considering that my original post was not even to you or commenting on the use of Nature's Miracle. It is what I do along with many other people I have talked to. I have been successfully using it for the last 2 years with a chameleon.

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

I’ve been wondering...with ungrouted tile, doesn’t waste go between the tiles?

The idea is for the solids to stay mainly in the plain on the tile (like the rain in Spain)
and runoff from misting and plant drainage to fall around the edges/through the cracks.
Come to think of it, it probably would be better to place the tiles adjoining, and let the water find the edges. I'm tipping my enclosure just enough so the water runs out a drain so I don't have to suck it out with a turkey baster or some such...

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

kinda a back handed comment there. And interesting considering that my original post was not even to you or commenting on the use of Nature's Miracle. It is what I do along with many other people I have talked to. I have been successfully using it for the last 2 years with a chameleon.

If it seemed that way, I apologize; it wasn't meant that way. Both have an odor (both contain fragrances)—the ingredients are clear on that—and in wondering why we differed there (and just having come from watching news clips) my head went to the COVID thing. I'm sorry. ?‍

I'm glad you're having success, but I strongly disagree that the stuff is "safe".
The reasoning that people have been doing something with no bad outcome—therefore it is safe—is flawed. I know several people who smoked cigarettes for their entire lifetimes and never got cancer. Some people don't wear seatbelts and never got in accidents. I could go on...
That doesn't mean those things are safe—it means those people were lucky.

Please note that I did not disagree with the use of peroxide. Others (in other threads) have also mentioned using alcohol, which I don't disagree with either.

Dawn is good for a lot of things, but I would not use it or recommend it where animals who are known to taste objects and surfaces might be exposed. From Dawn's own website:

The product can cause serious irritation upon prolonged contact. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately and thoroughly with plenty of water for several minutes. If symptoms persist, seek medical attention.

If you accidentally swallow dish soap, immediately drink water to dilute the product. Do not induce vomiting. If symptoms persist, seek medical attention.

I'm not saying that by using Dawn anyone is going to kill their chameleon (though I don't believe a sick chameleon is outside the realm of possibility). I'm saying what I said—the safety of the product is debatable (not just my opinion, as shown by the evidence), adding, "let folks decide for themselves."

We both feel strongly about certain subjects when it comes to the health & safety of our pets.

 

[Beman]

If it seemed that way, I apologize; it wasn't meant that way. Both have an odor (both contain fragrances)—the ingredients are clear on that—and in wondering why we differed there (and just having come from watching news clips) my head went to the COVID thing. I'm sorry. ?‍

I'm glad you're having success, but I strongly disagree that the stuff is "safe".
The reasoning that people have been doing something with no bad outcome—therefore it is safe—is flawed. I know several people who smoked cigarettes for their entire lifetimes and never got cancer. Some people don't wear seatbelts and never got in accidents. I could go on...
That doesn't mean those things are safe—it means those people were lucky.

Please note that I did not disagree with the use of peroxide. Others (in other threads) have also mentioned using alcohol, which I don't disagree with either.

Dawn is good for a lot of things, but I would not use it or recommend it where animals who are known to taste objects and surfaces might be exposed. From Dawn's own website:



I'm not saying that by using Dawn anyone is going to kill their chameleon (though I don't believe a sick chameleon is outside the realm of possibility). I'm saying what I said—the safety of the product is debatable (not just my opinion, as shown by the evidence), adding, "let folks decide for themselves."

We both feel strongly about certain subjects when it comes to the health & safety of our pets.

I will do for my 3 chameleons what I have been taught by people that have chameleons and when you get a chameleon you can do for it the way you want to.

The funny thing is you act like I am spraying the enclosure with it. I am CLEANING A FLOOR PANEL. With a bit of soapy hot water on a paper towel. If my cham is on the floor panel licking it then I think I have bigger issues.

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

I will do for my 3 chameleons what I have been taught by people that have chameleons and when you get a chameleon you can do for it the way you want to.

Who's being backhanded?

The funny thing is you act like I am spraying the enclosure with it.

No, I observed that the statement that the product is "safe" (and has no odor) is debatable.

carcinogens in dawn dish soap

Another question about Dawn that is debatable is whether or not it contains formaldehyde.
The company lists (previous post) ingredients, but is that list complete?
IDK; some sources (below) contend it is not.

In searching does dawn contain formaldehyde, several sources concur that Dawn does contain formaldehyde, and one admonished in part:

Formaldehyde is added to a dish detergent to enhance the smell, so it's usually found only in scented products. If you don't find this compound listed on the label, it doesn't necessarily mean the product is formaldehyde-free. Many products contain the preservative quaternium, which acts by releasing formaldehyde when it's exposed to water.

Also in that search is an article by Target (which does sell Dawn) entitled Formaldehyde-free : Dish Detergents. Dawn is not one of those stipulated as formaldehyde-free.

lol If they can bathe oil covered birds in it to remove the oil and the birds have no issues then I will go with safe.

That's the question, isn't it? People also use it for house & garden pest & weed control.

The oily wildlife marketing campaign (see 2nd link below) wouldn't be the first time
P&G has been associated with greenwashing. (<— many articles)

Greenwashing (<— single article)

I agree people can care for their chameleons the way they want (short of abuse or neglect).
I also think it behooves them to be informed on both sides of an issue to help them make the best decisions for them.

 

[jacksonchamnew]

The new Reptibreeze XL deluxe cage has removable tray for floor.