Go there just to look - very cool place. Lot's of wild stuff and nice people. Visited there several years ago when I was on the west coast. Talked to a guy there once about buying a turtle for my niece - he was very informative and actually talked me out of it once we got down to the details of where and how they were planning to house it. Gotta respect that! Also, got my first ever reptile from them about 14 years ago. My sister bought me a WC Uromastyx and had it shipped to Virginia. Came in one of those cloth bags and it was the first one I'd ever seen. I remember thinking "no way this thing lived after being shipped from California!" But it did of course. So "props forever" to EBV in my book. I've had a lot of those cloth bags show up at my house since then!