Dog rescues in L.A?

[Sancho]

Well I finally purchased my first home and I'm looking for a dog for my new addition. My wife wants a boston terrier and set on a english bulldog. I prefer to rescue one rather then pay a huge amount to a puppy mill. if you know of any please let me know. I sent Ryan a message since he has bulldogs and hopefully knows.

 

[Rocky]

Congrats on the house! And good luck with the dog

 

[Vegas Chad]

I have had 2 boston’s, AWESOME dogs.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

Good luck finding an english bullie rescue. I had to pay 1K. for mine. That was a deal. I just happened to find a breeder who wanted to get rid of a pup and i had the cash. He was listed at 1500.00 You do know that they cant live outside and they can overheat easily. We actually had 2. We just put our older male Brutus down 2 wks ago. He lived to 14. Which is very old for a bullie most dont live past 10-12.

 

[Sancho]

Thanks guys! I Agree Chad my sister has a rescue boston and she is the best.

 

[panthercham]

I have been interested in getting an English Bulldog for a while now....I have been looking at the below rescue sites. Just depends how far you want to travel to look at any

Just doing a Julirs trick on how she picks up extra critters...waiting for other half to go away on business and just say "it followed me home" or "gee...where did he come from?"

http://www.thebcnc.org/rescue.html
http://www.rescuebulldogs.org/rescueroster/rescueroster.pl
http://www.sdbr.org/

 

[Sancho]

I have been interested in getting an English Bulldog for a while now....I have been looking at the below rescue sites. Just depends how far you want to travel to look at any

Just doing a Julirs trick on how she picks up extra critters...waiting for other half to go away on business and just say "it followed me home" or "gee...where did he come from?"

http://www.thebcnc.org/rescue.html
http://www.rescuebulldogs.org/rescueroster/rescueroster.pl
http://www.sdbr.org/

I would drive anywhere in cali. thats not a problem at all.

 

[Chameleonator]

You want to get in touch with Pacific Coast Bulldog Club. They meet in Hacienda.

PCBC

They have rescue. They do charge a donation.

One thing to consider is they can be high maintenance. They are the chameleons in dog breeds. Bulldog vet specialist (Dr Butchko) is in Riverside off the 10 past the 15 frwy. If you aren't willing to take that drive, set aside some $$$'s for local vet visits.

They can live outside, it just depends what area you live in, but they do much better indoors. But definitely they need shade at all times. The closer you are to the coast the better. It's not a dog you take jogging and like it was said they can overheat easily. Some simple tips to keeping them safely cool when they get overheated: keep a squeeze bottle of lime juice in hand, cause when they get hot they salivate more and it gets thick and the lime juice helps thin it out. Water down their foot pads (dogs don't have sweat glands and that's one way they cool down). You can also ice down the neck area and inner thighs (where the major veins are) to help cool them down.

Best thing to do is to sit in one of the club meetings and talk to people who have them to see if the bulldog is right for you.

 

[Julirs]

I lost my Bullie at 10 years. If you get one, get a good one or be prepared for thousands of dollars of Vet bills. The breed is riddled with problems.

 

[Chameleonator]

In all fairness some of that bad rap that bulldogs have issues is also due to unprepared and irresponsible dog owners. Same war cry we have with chameleons. Compared to other reptiles, chameleons can be difficult to keep. They require a little more attention to details. But once you get the hang of it and understand vet visits as a norm and not a luxury, it becomes easy. Bulldogs make great pets, but they do require more attention.

 

[Julirs]

In all fairness some of that bad rap that bulldogs have issues is also due to unprepared and irresponsible dog owners. Same war cry we have with chameleons. Compared to other reptiles, chameleons can be difficult to keep. They require a little more attention to details. But once you get the hang of it and understand vet visits as a norm and not a luxury, it becomes easy. Bulldogs make great pets, but they do require more attention.

Partially true-but it is a fact that the breed has issues. They were bred to have issues. I was anything but an unprepared or irresponsible dog owner. I researched breeders and traced my bullies lines back 5 generations. He came from a solid breeder and great lines, AND I paid $1000 for him 13 years ago! They are now over $2000 for good lines. Poor Ross had skin issues and lived on Pred-I would also say I am pretty high functioning as far as feeding and allergies go, and did everything I could to resolve his issues prior to resorting to meds. Also at 6 months he developed luxating patella-which required an expensive surgery to make sure he could walk-it was covered by the breeder and cost more than we paid for him. THAT is a good breeder! They are wonderful dogs, but have been bred into deformity even after all of these years for their looks. As stated they do not do well with heat, extreme exercise, and they DO NOT SWIM.
So-be prepared, have some available funds! You can be as prepared and responsible as you could ever be and still run into issues with English Bulldogs!

 

[Chameleonator]

BTW: I didn't direct the statement towards you being unprepared or irresponsible.

I'll give you that they do have more than their fair share of issues and they aren't for everybody.

But to generalize that they were bred to have issues is a slippery slope.

I don't want to put words into your mouth, but to state that they are purposely bred with issues, is kind of saying that the breed should be outlawed or at the very least the breeders should be charged with cruelty to animals?

Other than Ross, how many other bulldogs did you have to be able to come to that conclusion?

I have seen many (100's) of pedigrees and not one rated the health of each stud and dam, nor stated if they were deceased and what they died from.

All it basically tells you is how many champions is in it's lineage. When you say it came from great lines, what do you mean by that exactly?

When someone tells me that they came from great lines, to me it means that they came from show lines (let me guess... in the bloodline it had Marinebull, Verdona or Hetherbull). The more champions in a pedigree, the greater chances that you will get a dog with issues (not just bulldogs but for all dogs of pedigree).

Unfortunately show dog breeders focus on the standard of the breed more than the overall health. What breed doesn't have issues?

Selective breeding and human influence is to blame.

We do it with our chameleons.

Most breeders I noticed are more focused on outer appearance.

Let's take for example Veileds. You hear it all the time about the morphs (sunburst, high yellow, turquoise, trans, etc) that breeders are striving for, but how many times do you hear a breeder breeding for temperament or for hardiness? Wouldn't you think by now, that someone could've or should've bred the 'aggressive' trait out or the feared word 'domesticated' the breed?

That would be wrong of me to generalize that all veileds have nasty dispositions. I know that's not the case and there are exceptions.

Same goes that not all bulldogs were bred to have issues. It's not impossible to breed a litter of healthy bulldogs, one just have to be VERY selective.

Why do we shoot up females that have trouble laying with Oxy and incubate the eggs, instead of letting nature take its course? Maybe for the same reasons why bulldogs are artificially inseminated and have C-sections. To insure life from the complications we have imposed on them. How can we justify one from the other?

I'm sure there are plenty more that would condemn chameleon keeping for not only the bad experience they had with one, but for also what they have read. Never a day goes by on this site were there isn't a chameleon with an issue.

Comparing bulldogs to chameleons is like comparing apples and oranges. But comparing the numerous issues they both can have, it's like the pot calling the kettle black.

*Note: just so you know I am not coming from left field. I have shown, bred and trained bulldogs for over 15 years. I currently don't own any but wouldn't be opposed to owning one. Through those years I have observed over 1,000, either through the shows, training or breeding. I can tell the quality of the dog if it is a show or a pet. I can even go as far as being able to distinguish what lineage the dog has by just looking at the confirmation of the dog.

My first bulldog was pet quality and lived for 15 years. Had no issues other than being allergic to pig ears.

As many bulldogs that has been in my life one way or another, I can't say I ever had one as bad as yours. The worse I've had maybe was a wry jaw, cherry eye or on one of the males I bred (I forget the scientific terminology) his testicles did not drop.

Who can say that this dog was bred with issues?

Sorry to OP for going off topic... but hey this is a cham site

 

[Julirs]

I never thought you directed those words at me-I understand generalization. BUT-these dogs were purposely bred to have large heads (requiring females to have c-sections) short faces (resulting in all of the issues associated with Brachycephalic type dogs.) Large front ends and small back ends and wrinkly faces-bred generations back to allow them to hold on to the bulls face while blood drains away from the eyes (resulting in the knee and leg issues and some of the skin issues) etc....

I am not sure how you can say they are NOT bred to have issues when they clearly are. To improve the breed health-wise would be to select dogs with longer faces and taller legs-thus changing the breed type entirely.

A simple internet search proves that.

My pet-quality dog was from none of those lines, and I WAS LOOKING FOR HEALTH ISSUES NOT CHAMPION LINES-they are not always stated in the pedigree always-BUT SOMETIMES ARE AS FAR AS HIP AND HEART ISSUES..., and I can prove that with my pet quality Great Dane's pedigree as there are now genetic/tested certs out there, and 5 generation back in a bulldog is easy with their shorter life-span. I grew up in "dog show world"-so I have been also exposed to many dogs and many breeds, but that has nothing to do with the bulldog facts at hand that are facts and you are attempting to argue them? Every Bulldog breeder knows these things.

Now to quote you...and comment...
I don't want to put words into your mouth, but to state that they are purposely bred with issues, is kind of saying that the breed should be outlawed or at the very least the breeders should be charged with cruelty to animals?

I guess since the issues take a while (not always) to kill them it is not looked at as cruelty-but one could argue this.

I have seen many (100's) of pedigrees and not one rated the health of each stud and dam, nor stated if they were deceased and what they died from.

BUT-there are certain Health Certs that are included-I do not remember on Bulldogs for it has been years since I looked at a pedigree-but this is where phone calls and talking to owners of related dogs come in.
All it basically tells you is how many champions is in it's lineage. When you say it came from great lines, what do you mean by that exactly?

Great Lines=Free of Major Health Issues


Unfortunately show dog breeders focus on the standard of the breed more than the overall health. What breed doesn't have issues?

Thank you-well stated. There are quite a few breeds that are free of major issues.
Selective breeding and human influence is to blame.

Again-thank you.

We do it with our chameleons.

Most breeders I noticed are more focused on outer appearance.

Let's take for example Veileds. You hear it all the time about the morphs (sunburst, high yellow, turquoise, trans, etc) that breeders are striving for, but how many times do you hear a breeder breeding for temperament or for hardiness? Wouldn't you think by now, that someone could've or should've bred the 'aggressive' trait out or the feared word 'domesticated' the breed?


What! LOL! Chameleons are lizards with tiny brains. The fact that they are territorial or aggressive is their nature. They are not meant to be a companion animal. This is all just laughable. Most good breeders do not breed unhealthy animals to get color.
That would be wrong of me to generalize that all veileds have nasty dispositions. I know that's not the case and there are exceptions.
Same goes that not all bulldogs were bred to have issues. It's not impossible to breed a litter of healthy bulldogs, one just have to be VERY selective.

Why do we shoot up females that have trouble laying with Oxy and incubate the eggs, instead of letting nature take its course? Maybe for the same reasons why bulldogs are artificially inseminated and have C-sections. To insure life from the complications we have imposed on them. How can we justify one from the other?

Shooting a chameleon with OXY is a something we do to fix a temporary health issue and help the female deliver eggs and NOT DIE. Bulldogs are artificially inseminated because with their front end weight they are poor breeders and the HUGE HEADS is what causes the C-Section. BREEDER INTENTIONALLY BREED FOR BIG HEADS!!!
I'm sure there are plenty more that would condemn chameleon keeping for not only the bad experience they had with one, but for also what they have read. Never a day goes by on this site were there isn't a chameleon with an issue.

You take this chance with every pet.

Comparing bulldogs to chameleons is like comparing apples and oranges. But comparing the numerous issues they both can have, it's like the pot calling the kettle black.

YOU comparing Chams to Bulldogs is apples to oranges. Heck-it IS apples to oranges. Your argument here is senseless. Wow.


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[Julirs]

I am really confused now! All of that arguing and YOU Chameleonator posted this on another thread!

Don't you consider it a little hypocritical to be making those statements and owning a bulldog. They are what I considered the most man made dog breed. Originally they once looked more like pitbulls (longer legs, smaller heads, etc). Are you aware most bulldogs cannot mate on their own (due to the fact of their body structure... along w/ the politics of missing a breeding) that a majority is done with artificial insemination. Also rarely do they give natural births. Due to the high risk to the dam that the large headed pups may get stuck, most breeders opt for C-section.
Now knowing this, you did not get a bulldog for it's health. There are far more breeds out there percentage wise that has less issues. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is no such things as a long lived healthy bulldog. I'm just trying to prove a point that you chose something aesthically pleasing to you.
Selective breeding is as old as time (linebreeding/inbreeding). It's gone both ways good and bad.

And you posted this up above...

But to generalize that they were bred to have issues is a slippery slope.

I don't want to put words into your mouth, but to state that they are purposely bred with issues, is kind of saying that the breed should be outlawed or at the very least the breeders should be charged with cruelty to animals?

IS IT JUST ME OR IS ANYONE ELSE CONFUSED?