sinisterchameleon23
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i was just wondering if there is a possiblity of crossbreading spieces of chameleons successfuly? just want to know peoples thoughts
Crossbreading chameleons
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Niels Pedersen
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Some species that are closely related from the same genera can cross breed.
It is said that Chamaeleo calyptratus calcarifer is a natural cross between Ch.arabicus and Ch.calyptratus.
It is said that Chamaeleo calyptratus calcarifer is a natural cross between Ch.arabicus and Ch.calyptratus.
Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
Some panthers have been cross bred. We don't necessarily know just how closely related most of the other cham species are. Some might cross and some won't. Crossing most of the other known species won't work because the male and female won't be receptive to the other (behaviorally or physically), or the eggs won't be viable.
I guess another question to ask yourself if why would you want to? People who care about the genetic purity of species they keep won't want them unless they know exactly what they are getting. If you are trying to create color morphs again you'd have to be very specific about the resulting chams...their bloodlines, crosses, etc. Some breeders like the challenge of creating a "new" morph, but often it ends up magnifying other genetic defects. I'd never want to create an albino of anything...they have all sorts of health problems, light sensitivity, blindness. No pretty color is worth a miserable animal.
I guess another question to ask yourself if why would you want to? People who care about the genetic purity of species they keep won't want them unless they know exactly what they are getting. If you are trying to create color morphs again you'd have to be very specific about the resulting chams...their bloodlines, crosses, etc. Some breeders like the challenge of creating a "new" morph, but often it ends up magnifying other genetic defects. I'd never want to create an albino of anything...they have all sorts of health problems, light sensitivity, blindness. No pretty color is worth a miserable animal.
Niels Pedersen
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Well he never said he would crossbreed them, I belive he only asked a question 
crossbreeding F.pardalis locales is not the same, as they are not a different species, but just different colour variations in the same species and all paradalis locales can me mixed.
But yes, im not a fan either of crossbreeding locales.
crossbreeding F.pardalis locales is not the same, as they are not a different species, but just different colour variations in the same species and all paradalis locales can me mixed.
But yes, im not a fan either of crossbreeding locales.
summoner12
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Well he never said he would crossbreed them, I belive he only asked a question
crossbreeding F.pardalis locales is not the same, as they are not a different species, but just different colour variations in the same species and all paradalis locales can me mixed.
But yes, im not a fan either of crossbreeding locales.
I agree with everything you said.
I don't like cross breeding at all of any species or even locals... just my two cents.
GooglezNvincent
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this was a big hit and is very closely related to the subject of cross breeding, if you care to read 10+pages it was very informative though.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/true-27168/
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chameleonneeds
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My friend (Paul R) has a male carpet around 7 months old, that is displaying his breeding colours to baby Veileds which are about 1 month old, pretty wierd.
I havnt seen it yet, but I will when I go to his house when he starts breeding his panthers soon.
I havnt seen it yet, but I will when I go to his house when he starts breeding his panthers soon.
Niels Pedersen
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Well I have seen pictures of different species trying to mate, or well mostly the males trying, but even though they did mate, then they could still not make eggs.
chameleonneeds
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Yeah Niels I know, it its not that the eggs are not porduced, the are not fertilized and usualy the female WILL lay a clutch, just infertile.
Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
A 7 month old cbb male hasn't seen many other chams and may have no clue what a receptive female should look like. He would probably display to just about anything. There's no reason to create the stress of being seen and threatened by other chams unless you are deliberately planning for a pair to breed. Time to get the visual barriers set up.
Fearaffect
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Not a clue what a receptive female should look like??!! Its hard wired into their genetic make-up!! Its instinct!! No ifs, ands or buts about it!!
chameleonneeds
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Was just about to say but Fear beat me to it, but yeah instincts... will never be lost
Jerm
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Part of the definition of the word species is "a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring, and separated from other such groups with which interbreeding does not (normally) happen". I have heard one claim from a man in Tampa that a veiled and a panther crossed but the eggs were "stolen" before he had the chance to hatch them. I personally don't believe that it is possible, nor would I attempt it.
Niels Pedersen
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Its not possible
Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
Oh I know they have instinctive memory about what a female SHOULD look like, but he's got to practice on something and they were convenient. Young animals are going to test and make mistakes. If instinct was that perfect he wouldn't be displaying at all. Maybe he was just reacting to seeing them now that his hormones are kicking in confusing things.
