Crickets, Cups, Confusion

eidolen

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Hi,
Being a new Veiled Chameleon owner, I have a few question if I may. I got my baby cham on the 16th of August and have been building his enclosure and reading, reading, reading, ever since. If there is one thing I know now that I didn't when I first got him is that for every question, there are many answers. Most of the information that I found when I first got started, seems to be contradicted by one person or another if you search enough, which leads me to believe there are many ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Now that I have my enclosure almost finished, (Thanks to the help from people on this forum) I wanted to concentrate a bit on his feeding. The information I started with suggested cup feeding crickets in a transparent container, which I did. The only thing I did different was to craft a basket for the glass feeder jar out of some para-cord so it could become a claimable surface for him as well. To my dismay, I found him trying to eat the crickets "through" the glass which wasn't working out for him very well. (Did I end up with a short bus chammy I thought??) I decided to give him a day or two to try and work it out on his own and was pleased to find that he did. I use a second glass jar to transfer crickets from the basement that is just a bit smaller in diameter than the feeder jar so when I put them in his jar, I basically pour them in, upturning the jar in the process and then rattle it to get any that are sticking to the bottom of the transfer jar. I believe this is the signal that he uses to know that the food is ready as it takes no longer than a couple of minutes until all the crickets are gone.

As this system has been working well for me now for many weeks, I'm not really inclined to change it, but in my research have run across claims that transparent feeder jars might be bad for their tongues by them misjudging distances and that they might not be getting full extension if only ever fed by jars/cups. Is this really a serious concern I should be worried about and has there been others that have exclusively fed by jar for the duration of a chameleons life without any troubles? I would consider allowing his food to roam after I build his adult cage, but it really isn't feasible with the cage I'm using now without having a portion escaping into the house.

Thoughts?

The other question I had was concerning capturing crickets from their habitat. I have tried many methods so far, but feel there must be some better ways that people might have come up with. I have tried toilet paper tubes, tweezers, fish nets, capped funnel, and none of the above have worked out well on a consistent basis. When I had an abundance of crickets, I would pick up one of the egg cartons from the cage and bang it over my jar so the pile that is up inside one of the inverted cones fall into my jar. Unfortunately even this is no longer feasible now that I know how to gut load properly. Now that I'm putting the next days crickets into a seperate habitat to gut load load them for 24 hours, I'm back to dealing with a small amount of crickets at a time and really want to find and easier way to manipulate them. Any help would be appreciated.

Eidolen

Here is a picture of my jar. More pictures can be found here

feeder_jar.jpg
 
If youre worried that he doesnt get the "free range" effect from the crickets, there are feeding things made from plastic milk jugs. They keep the crickets contained, but the way that it's made allows the crickets to move around climb around on mesh thats in it, so the chameleon can hunt, but in a more contained way.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/homemade-cricket-feeder-29638/

Also, if you really dont want the crickets getting out, you can pull off a back leg.


I use the large cricket keeper and I've never had a problem getting them out.
 
If youre worried that he doesnt get the "free range" effect from the crickets, there are feeding things made from plastic milk jugs. They keep the crickets contained, but the way that it's made allows the crickets to move around climb around on mesh thats in it, so the chameleon can hunt, but in a more contained way.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/homemade-cricket-feeder-29638/

Also, if you really dont want the crickets getting out, you can pull off a back leg.


I use the large cricket keeper and I've never had a problem getting them out.



EDIT: WTF? How'd I post twice?!?
 
Ive had chameleons for over a decade. I primarily use feeding cups. No negative issues have resulted. tongues work fine. They are still able to hunt fine when they want to on those occassions where I free-range food. The bonus of using a cup (all of mine are opaque, not glass) is that the chameleon will associate it with food, and have no trouble accepting any new item placed in it.

I also have large feeding bowls that I use on weekends, so that the prey has quite alot of space to run around, forcing the chameleon to have to try harder. And I free-range a few insects now and then. My cages are not bug escape proof, so I watch to ensure any free-ranged insects are eaten quickily. I dont feed more than the chameleon needs, so there generally arent extras to catch and remove.

You're welcome to peruse my Blog entires (use the search within the blog for specific topics). I've lots of info there on feeders, feeder nutrition, and a diary of what my chameleons eat.
 
I see your using a compact UVB bulb. Remove it immediately! your cham will most likely get photo-kerato-conjunctivitus (sp?) which will blind him, and get that heat bulb out of the cage, unless you have a twisted desire to burn your lizard to death.

-Steve
 
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Originally Posted by pssh
I use the large cricket keeper and I've never had a problem getting them out.

By hand or tweezers or some other tool?

Theres alot to be said for simplicity.
Are you really going to catch crickets with tweezers grasshopper? :D

A toilet roll core serves the purpous more than adequately, crickets will hide inside and you simply upend it into the jar.
 
Theres alot to be said for simplicity.
Are you really going to catch crickets with tweezers grasshopper? :D

A toilet roll core serves the purpous more than adequately, crickets will hide inside and you simply upend it into the jar.

I catch my crickets with tweezers too, lol! :D I hate the little nasties and it's the only way can deal with the little blighters! Ugh!:D
 
My veiled has taken to his cup marvelously. Like Sandra said it's a great way for them to pair the cup with food. Now my guy will go right after any fruit or greens put in the container.
 
I really don't have any qualms about bugs, I just reach my hand in and pull out what I need. If some crawl on your hand while doing this, bonus, you don't have to grab those ones just shake them into the cup. :D
(Now if I was feeding with roaches I might use tweezers, there is just something about those guys :eek:)
 
Hehe, I hate gathering crickets. I pick up the paper towel roll and the ones on the outside immediately jump, sometimes even escaping. I used to use a cricket keeper with tubes throughout that could be removed for easy gathering, but the tubes get so nasty and are a pain to clean I stopped using them.
 
Thanks for all the great input!

Sounds like I have nothing to worry about with the feeder jar which makes me very happy as he seems to like and use it easily now, and is very convenient for me. I do plan to make his adult cage escapee proof as I will be building it from scratch, so I will test his hunting prowess when the time comes.

I see your using a compact UVB bulb. Remove it immediately! your cham will most likely get photo-kerato-conjunctivitus (sp?) which will blind him, and get that heat bulb out of the cage, unless you have a twisted desire to burn your lizard to death.

I'm in the midst of dealing with this issue now in my cage thread. Here If any other new owners ended up with this bulb you might want to have a peek.


Theres alot to be said for simplicity.
Are you really going to catch crickets with tweezers grasshopper?

A toilet roll core serves the purpose more than adequately, crickets will hide inside and you simply upend it into the jar.

Well Sensei.....
As I stated in my post, I tried the toilet paper tube trick, but they just didn't seem to gravitate to them very much. Maybe I should try a different brand. LOL

As far as using my hands, I tried that and ended up crushing, or otherwise maiming them unintentionally and wanted to present "Lively" hoppers for him to eat. I don't know what it is as I do quite a bit of delicate miniature work. Tweezers have given me the greatest success when I want to target a single victim by grabbing one of the antennae, providing it doesn't break off. Everything I've tried works to a degree, but guess I was just hoping there was some sure fire trick out there that I hadn't encountered yet. If I figure out something on my own that works nicely I'll be sure to share. In any case, thanks for all the suggestions.:)

Cheers,
Eidolen
 
personaly, I've always used a small scooper to remove the crickets.
(the kind you get from powdered iced tea mix)

I just gather them in a corner of my cricket tank, and let them jump in.
for bigger ones, I then cover the scooper with my other hand so they don't jump out and toss them in my dusting container to be trasported to the cage.

then again, I mostly free range or hand feed.

Harry
 
Well Sensei.....
As I stated in my post, I tried the toilet paper tube trick, but they just didn't seem to gravitate to them very much. Maybe I should try a different brand. LOL

They will if you put food in/near them. You can block/cover one end too so its dark inside. :)

Incidently, Atleast some of the crickets will stay in the cup if you add greens first.

Everything I've tried works to a degree, but guess I was just hoping there was some sure fire trick out there that I hadn't encountered yet.

You can play Kylie Minogue or barbara steisand cd's till they are so depressed they want to go in by themselves! :)
 
Hehe, I hate gathering crickets. I pick up the paper towel roll and the ones on the outside immediately jump, sometimes even escaping. I used to use a cricket keeper with tubes throughout that could be removed for easy gathering, but the tubes get so nasty and are a pain to clean I stopped using them.

I have a cricket keeper, but I don't keep the tubes in. When I want crickets I put 1 or 2 tubes in and shake the egg crates. When they fall off they scurry up the tubes. I put them into a container right away so the tubes don't get dirty.
 
You can play Kylie Minogue or barbara steisand cd's till they are so depressed they want to go in by themselves!

ROFL!
That is the best idea I've heard so far. :D

My only problem is how to avoid the depression myself so I don't crawl into a closet and stab wire coat hangers into my eardrums. =P

Even though tweezers have been my best approach so far, I think I have come up with something even better if I can find the parts I think I still have somewhere. I had this cool little keyboard vac I bought at a military surplus store many years ago, but it ended up getting stored somewhere when I moved. If I can locate that and fit it with some kind of straw/tube, I'll be golden.

I'll let you know if it works out. :)

Eidolen
 
I have a cricket keeper, but I don't keep the tubes in. When I want crickets I put 1 or 2 tubes in and shake the egg crates. When they fall off they scurry up the tubes. I put them into a container right away so the tubes don't get dirty.

I keep the tubes in and don't use any egg crates. The reason being is I found with larger quantity of crickets, the egg crates tended to go a bit horrible and the crickets sometimes even ate them. Dampness is a major killer of crickets so I felt the plastic tubes were better as they couldn't eat them and they wont get damp. I rarely clean out the plastic tubes as most of the horrible stuff falls out one way or antoher. I put sand at the bottom of my cricket keeper and I found it absorbs some of the horrible stuff. I also only feed them in feeding dishes as I find it creates less potential stuff to mould if I can guarentee I can take out anything that isn't eaten with relative ease.

To the original point. I just empty the tubes out from the cricket keeper into a plastic cup then cover them with calcium powder. I also found after a while i've started to develop a technique for picking up crickets indivudally. It's a case of moving very fast and accurately and aiming slightly infront of where they're moving soemtimes.
 
I have a cricket keeper, but I don't keep the tubes in. When I want crickets I put 1 or 2 tubes in and shake the egg crates. When they fall off they scurry up the tubes. I put them into a container right away so the tubes don't get dirty.

Good idea!
 
I taught George how to eat from my fingers. I would grab a cricket, hold it and he would eat it. That way they never got loose in the house. That's what worked for me!

When I fed mealworms I used a small container and held it up to him and he could pick as many as he pleased.

Crickets were only fed like 2 times a week. He ate mealworms and silkworms most of the time.
 
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