Common breeding

[spouny]

Hi, in this year i am plan building new terrarium (size: 130cm height, 80cm width, 55cm depth). Question is "What kind of chameleons i can breeding together" ? (of course one kind in one terrarium)
I think about Chamaeleo Cristatus but somebody on this forum writed that is possible and somebody that no.
Only one limit of choose is temperature (for mountain species). The lowest temperature in night in room with terrairum is 19-20 Celsius.
Thanks ( and forgive me my english )

 

[wontbme]

man i dont know what your saying... what language do you speak? maybe i can help translate.
i can tell you use the metric system so you obviously arent in the US

 

[spouny]

I didn't know that my english is so horrible . Size of terrarium is 4.3 height, 2.6 width, 1.8 depth. I want have 2-3 chameleons in one terraium. I hope that I already wrote it clearly.

 

[wontbme]

its not horrible just hard to interpret.

if you wouldn't mind letting us know your native language, we could help you out alot more that way.

What i'm not understanding is the specifics, the cage size doesn't entirely matter. just nothing small. what kind of chameleon do you have?

veiled/panther/pygmy??

okay i totally misinterpreted what you wanted. now im actually confused, please let me know what language you speak naturally!

 

[BeBoSON]

Its not advised to house chameleons together in the same enclosure. For breeding purposes, you can leave a female and male in an enclosure but when finished mating, you are to put them back into their separate enclosures.
I've seen multiple chameleons on a free range, living together without any problems.

 

[wontbme]

i think he's asking for what size a cage would have to be for them to co-exist.

sort of like, 7ftx7ftx5ft

now i could be wrong... what is 130cm? my math is failing me

 

[wontbme]

that size is DEFINATELY not enough for more than one chameleon.

try something like

2 meters height 1 meters length (left to right) and 1 meters width (back to front)

this COULD help. it's the equivelant of two cages in one. With some added vertical space.

now this doesnt mean it will work. but if you really wanted to this is best for both their pleasure.

OR you can freeroam them both. which is more suitable

 

[spouny]

wontbme: size of cage is maximum 4.3ft height; 2.6ft width; 1.8ft depth. Question is: can I breeding some kind of chameleons in this cage together?

 

[wontbme]

yes you can breed them. BUT
dont let them live together.
let them do their thing, and then take one of them out

 

[camimom]

wontbme: size of cage is maximum 4.3ft height; 2.6ft width; 1.8ft depth. Question is: can I breeding some kind of chameleons in this cage together?

That size is perfect for one adult.
Unless you get a smaller species, That size wont house two adults of any kind comfortably.

Youll have the male stressing the female with constantly trying to mate, and a female who is constantly laying...
not good for either.

 

[spouny]

i know where is a problem in comunication, when i write "breeding together" i thing "live together".

 

[spouny]

but if i understand it well in this post https://www.chameleonforums.com/live-together-harmony-24349/ user "eisentrauti" writed that cristatus can live together.

 

[camimom]

i know where is a problem in comunication, when i write "breeding together" i thing "live together".

Well when you have male and female living together, you will have them breeding...
so same stuff applies.

constant breeding on a female can shorten her life span.

you might be able to get away with two females together.

but anytime you hve a male and female, youll have babies.

WHile that thread says you can, it takes alot of experience, and a much bigger cage.
The cage you have now is suitable for ONE chameleon. and like i said, anytime you house a male and a female together, you will have babies, and you need to know if you are ready for that.
Also, if they fight, you need to be able to seperate them.

 

[wontbme]

Very well put lol.

Males are hormonal and made for breeding

women arent and are made to prevent over population (LOL)

no sexism intended but its pretty true

 

[spouny]

WHile that thread says you can, it takes alot of experience, and a much bigger cage.
The cage you have now is suitable for ONE chameleon. and like i said, anytime you house a male and a female together, you will have babies, and you need to know if you are ready for that.
Also, if they fight, you need to be able to seperate them.

That is what i want know. thanks

 

[camimom]

That is what i want know. thanks

Youre welcome.
Pygmies can be housed together, but the cage you have is the wrong kind for them too. :/

It takes a cage at least double the size you have, and experience when handling this kind of thing,

 

[pssh]

Well when you have male and female living together, you will have them breeding...
so same stuff applies.

constant breeding on a female can shorten her life span.

you might be able to get away with two females together.

but anytime you hve a male and female, youll have babies.

WHile that thread says you can, it takes alot of experience, and a much bigger cage.
The cage you have now is suitable for ONE chameleon. and like i said, anytime you house a male and a female together, you will have babies, and you need to know if you are ready for that.
Also, if they fight, you need to be able to seperate them.

Actually, it has been shown, that when done correctly and carefully, the males tend to get less aggressive both generally and regarding breeding/frequency of breeding when they are housed with females and the females tend to lay less often. If you do a search I've posted stuff about it many times before. Or you can ask Chris Anderson about it.

I don't recommend housing multiple of the same species together without a lot of experience as a general keeper, specifically to the species you want to work with, AND with the individual animals you plan to house together.

However, with that size of a cage it could be possible to keep very small species housed as multiples. If you really want to keep more than one together, try getting some pygmies! Some pygmies get pretty big and are generally not that hard to keep together.

 

[Trace]

Unlike some of the people on this thread, I actually keep the cristatus. I need to address some fallacies first.

1: They are incredibly shy so free ranging in your living room is NOT an option for them. Free ranging should not be suggested for all types of chameleons.
2: The cristatus are found primarily on low bushes and spend a lot of time close to the ground and I notice these same behaviours in captivity with mine. I notice they use the horizontal space more then the vertical space over the course of a day. Vertical space isn’t always necessary for all types of chameleons.

The cristatus can be aggressive towards each other and so keeping them together might not work. Almost from hatching my female could not live with the male as she would be defensive and angry so I had to separate them from the beginning. Depending on the personalities of your cristatus you may have to have separate cages. Currently I have my cristatus co-habitating for breeding with no ill results. I do, however, keep a close eye on the pair for any signs of aggression on her part. I return to work tomorrow and will separate the pair as I won’t be able to watch them 24/7. Most cristatus are also wild caught with an abysmal survival rate in captivity. Be prepared for expensive medical treatment and lengthy rehabilitation. While they are beautiful chameleons, I do not suggest these as a starter animal.

Some smaller species that will be comfortable in a cage that size, with those temperatures, would be Trioceros sternfeldi and Trioceros biteaniatus. Those you should be able to find as captive bred as well.