Chameleon's back legs went stiff and tail is limp

Jess101

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YES IM TAKING HIM TO THE VET.



I'm simply wanting to see if anyone else has experienced this, what their experience was like and if noone has Experienced this to provide documentation of my experience to help others identify a probable issue.. But please take your Cham to the vet.



Valoo Age about a year and a half.



Zoomed reptisun 5.0 linear 18" bulb purchased in January 2018



Reptibreeze tank 24x24x48"



He is in a spare room his tank is on a table that is about a foot and a half tall. The top of his tank stands at around 6 feet. The vent is closed in the spare room, there is never a fan on and there is no traffic in the room he is in except for me entering to care for him.



100 Watt zoomed basking lamp that provides UVA



Basking spot temp 90 degrees and the rest of the cage varies from 90 from the basking spot to 75 degrees.



All Foliage is plastic but he has never tried to eat them, yes real Plants are will be replacing his plastic ones this summer as I had already planned on it. I just hope he survives this



Humidifier that runs three times a day for an hour along with misting every other day sometimes every two days.



Humidity is normally at 70% and around 80% when misted . I allow the tank to dry out for a day when the humidifier runs out of treated water.



Fed mainly superworms and crickets as he refuses other foods. Calcium given on crickets when fed to him. I have offered him collard greens and banana but his super worms or crickets ate them instead since he didn't want anything to do with them. I remove all plant matter from His tank at the end of the day.



Crickets and super worms are fed flukers calcium diet. Sometimes superworms get fed oatmeal and sometimes both eat valoos refused veggies



Vitamins with D3 are dusted onto superworms or crickets every week and a half.



April 2nd 2018 (the problem began)



I had misted his cage and he drank like normal even came to me and drank from the sprayer nozzle.



Valoo is an adult so he normally doesn't eat as much. I offer him super worms and crickets three times a week.



valoo's back legs stiffened up later that day and he was unable to keep his grip on his branches. He fell once but seemed to be fine and nothing seemed broken, again a vet visit is in order For his fall and issues..



I moved him to his smaller cage so he cannot fall and also moved all his lights around him..



I put him in a warm soak along with a few drops of olive oil into his mouth to help him pass whatever he needs to pass since he seemed to be straining to pass a stool.



When he strains too hard his back legs stiffen up and fold into his body and his tail go limp.



He returns to normal after a while but is exhausted from straining so hard and cannot keep a grip on his branch in his smaller cage so he kinda just lays there while hanging onto the branch with his hands .



He also gets very mad and gets very stiff like he is straining and even gasps a couple of times.



His eyes are now sunken in but I know he isn't too dehydrated since he had a drink not too long ago.



All in all valoo is brightly colored still and is such a vicious monster, probably due to the pain he is experiencing which breaks my heart. But his colors haven't gone dark at all and he looks to be pretty healthy overall this stiff back legs and limp tail issue . (I hope )

I have searched everywhere for any similar experiences happening and Any that I have found with his symptoms mentioned impactation and pinched nerves. I will provide links to the past posts I have found if needed


I do not think it is MBD since he has been healthy and thriving before this. I do not think it is a respitory infection.. But the vet will tell Me What I need to know.



Vet visit planned tommorow. Wish me and valoo luck.. And please post any similar experiences below!!

All photos have been taken since the incident occured.
 
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Can he move his legs or tail at all? I've never had this happen whith my chams. However I had something similar with my cat (couldn't move back legs or tail, he was paralyzed) and it ended up being a blood clot that broke off from his heart and got stuck in the back of his spine, not sure if this is something similar (or if their even prone to something like that?o_O) and I really, really hope that's not the case for your little guy. Good luck at the vet tomorrow and I hope everything turns out okay for you both.
 
Can he move his legs or tail at all? I've never had this happen whith my chams. However I had something similar with my cat (couldn't move back legs or tail, he was paralyzed) and it ended up being a blood clot that broke off from his heart and got stuck in the back of his spine, not sure if this is something similar (or if their even prone to something like that?o_O) and I really, really hope that's not the case for your little guy. Good luck at the vet tomorrow and I hope everything turns out okay for you both.


He can move them after he calms down and stops straining like he is trying to pass a stool. His back feet can still grip and move around and his tail moves too when he's notnot straining. It all happens when he starts to strain ...
I am hoping it isnt anything serious because I've been crying all day at the thought of losing himhim . I love him dearly ..
 
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I just checked on him before I ate dinner and snapped a picture at around 10pm. I think maybe his muscles relax enough for him to climb ?
 
Not to say this is what's causing it, but you could use some husbandry adjustments. Misting every other day?? You should be misting every day for a total of 10+ minutes. The fact he is coming to you to drink from the sprayer could mean that he is dehydrated. Many times hydrated chameleons will not drink so desperately or in front of people.

Also you mention the uvb being purchased only in January yet he's a year old? That's a long time to go without uvb...
 
His !!!!NEW!!!! bulb was purchased in January... Sorry for not clarifying further on that. He has had proper and adequate UVB lighting since he was the size of my pinky C:
I wanted to state that the bulb had been replaced. Of course the poor Cham would have issues without UVB for that long. It is common sense for Chan owners...I hope .

His humidifier forms droplets onto his cage and leaves everyday and I allow once a day a week for the tank to dry out .He has never shown signs of dehydration and had always had healthy urates. he comes to me to want out his tank so I'm sure our bond is strong enough for him to drink from a nozzle as well as eat from my hand. C: thanks for your observation . The vet will tell me a more professional observation tommorow .
 
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just to specify since I apparently didnt make myself clear enough .

Valoo has had adequate UVB since I've had him and I've ALWAYS purchased NEW LINEAR 18" REPTISUN 5.O bulbs BEFORE they went out meaning well before the six month time frame the UVB had before it stopped doing it'd magic . Not before the bulb itself blew out to clarify even further.

His humidifier runs everyday except once a week when I let the tank dry out .

Other than that his humidifier makes droplets onto his cage and onto his leaves . I check on him everyday and I've seen him drink from those spots .
 
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just to specify since I apparently didnt make myself clear enough .

Valoo has had adequate UVB since I've had him and I've ALWAYS purchased NEW bulbs BEFORE they went out meaning well before the six month time frame the UVB had before it stopped doing it'd magic . Not before the bulb itself blew out to clarify even further.

His humidifier runs everyday except once a week when I let the tank dry out .

Other than that his humidifier makes droplets onto his cage and onto his leaves . I check on him everyday and I've seen him drink from those spots .
So the bulb you mentioned is great for basking, although provides a very narrow cone of proper UVB distribution. I, along with most experienced herp keepers recommend linear fluorescent lights to compliment your basking light, creating much better UVB distribution. Also, running a humidifier for your chameleons water needs is not a very good choice. Yes, eventually you will create water drops and your chameleon will drink, but this isnt proper hydration. Chameleons require daily showers that last no less than 3 minutes to trigger them to not just drink, but to wash their eyes out. I understand you believe he is healthy, and I hope you’re right. Improving his lighting and watering may have nothing to do with his issues, but they will improve his quality of life. I hope his vet visit goes well and it’s a simple fix.
 
If you read my ENTIRE post. You would see that he has gotten a BRAND NEW LINEAR bulb 18" reptisun 5.0 this January. I have been replacing them as needed meaning well before the UVB rays stopped working. . My chameleon has never had an issue with his humidifier providing him moisture as his urates have been healthy. I also am aware of misting his eyes and have been... I have also read that too much moisture can cause respitory issues.... Again If you read my whole thread you would know all the detailsdetails . :)
So the bulb you mentioned is great for basking, although provides a very narrow cone of proper UVB distribution. I, along with most experienced herp keepers recommend linear fluorescent lights to compliment your basking light, creating much better UVB distribution. Also, running a humidifier for your chameleons water needs is not a very good choice. Yes, eventually you will create water drops and your chameleon will drink, but this isnt proper hydration. Chameleons require daily showers that last no less than 3 minutes to trigger them to not just drink, but to wash their eyes out. I understand you believe he is healthy, and I hope you’re right. Improving his lighting and watering may have nothing to do with his issues, but they will improve his quality of life. I hope his vet visit goes well and it’s a simple fix.
 
Ok, just saw the t5 comment, just trying to help a new keeper.
No problem. And just to clarify again x .X his humidifier is like a fogger it's not a little cheap barely does anything humidifier it holds a gallon of water and I have it on the highest setting so it literally instantly creates droplets on and in his cage. but if everything goes well I shall buy an automatic Mister for him since I am busy most of the day and can only mist in the morning. Thanks for your help ! If you find anything else on my current issue please let me know! I created this forum to help people identify an issue unfortunately not commonly seen from what I've researched . Again thanks for the help :)
 
What's with the rude attitude?! Don't post here if you don't want help and know everything already. I can bet that a lot of people here know more than most vets you'll come by. Most of them have rarely or never worked with chameleons and know very little about them. So unless you have done your research and found a good one, their professional opinion won't mean much. Do a quick search here and see how many people have dead chameleons because their vet's "professional opinion" said they were alright.

As for your response about misting/fogging... that's not how RI's work.... Misting more isnt going to cause an RI "from moisture". But a fogger on constantly for a species that doesn't need one in most cases surely can. You don't realize that misting over long periods of time simulates rainfall and entices drinking, eye cleaning and hydration, and naturally creates humidity pockets in the enclosure. If you did you'd be doing it every day. Your "bond" isn't so much that your chameleon loves you, but that your withholding water so that he comes to you.

So instead of insulting people, maybe do your research and take care of your animal correctly instead of selfishly. I have a room full of chameleons and they are all doing great, 2 species, male and female. Your chameleon is half paralyzed laying on it's back? and my guess is it has something to do with your husbandry. Veileds have survived through all sorts of abuse and are even an invasive species in FL. To get to this point for you means something has to be way off.

I'm all for helping people out and accepting we make mistakes, but don't turn around and insult anyone that tries to give you advice. Everyone here is just looking out for your animal and has no other agenda. Think for a second, why would we want to give you bad advice? We belong to a freaking forum for chameleons haha we care just a little about their well being....
 
I have taken Valoo to the vet . I even given him a care sheet .
(FYI I'm not being rude, people just can't seem to read and take things too harshly also the internet isnt a very nice place in general and I've leaned that you have to almost nail things into peoples skull before they'll even listen and try to understand Thanks for the information though I will start misting him more and even buy a Mister to go off while I'm at work. But his fogger only goes off three times a day, as I said earlier I will correct the problem .. I am also very happy you have healthy and thriving chameleons! !

Good news is valoo was climbing around and seemed more active . I got him ready to see the vet and even printed off his care sheet so the vet didn't have to ask a million questions

The vet examined him and found that he is not constipated and his cloaca is clear of any obtrusion

They didn't find any broken, fractured or dislocated bones

The vet said everything seemed to be fine they just do not have the equipment necessary to do blood work as they don't have enough exotics to warrant it

Bad news is Valoo could possibly have kidney failure if he continues to decline.

The Vet administered fluids under the skin.
He also told me to seek out a specialist which unfortunately there is only one in the entire state I live in.


Again I am posting this forum to make a documentation of my experience. Please read thoroughly before making condescending comments
 
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