melble68
Established Member
Correct, no red light at all. Chameleons and red lights are like vinegar and water.
Chameleon won't drink!
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Correct, no red light at all. Chameleons and red lights are like vinegar and water.
hockeychameleon
Member
I have a female and ill take that into consideration .
IAmCarl
New Member
Hey Mark,
Sorry for the typos. Bad nights sleep and no reading glasses
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All I was trying to say is that I don't understand the low calcium from looking at the poo.
I keep Uroplatus and feed every other day and I've noticed during the change in season they may not be as aggressive when eating and therefore may have smaller feces with regard to the 50/50 statement. Try to offer more food.
Sorry for the typos. Bad nights sleep and no reading glasses
. All I was trying to say is that I don't understand the low calcium from looking at the poo.
I keep Uroplatus and feed every other day and I've noticed during the change in season they may not be as aggressive when eating and therefore may have smaller feces with regard to the 50/50 statement. Try to offer more food.
melble68
Established Member
Kenny was the one who spoke of the 50/50, and I'm still not quite understanding about the calcium indicator. I did already throw out the question in the Poop 101 thread to see if we can get any additional feedback from other members. Apparently the info that the breeder Kenny got his cham from talked about the 50/50 poo to urates. My cham's poo is more like 66/33 or 75/25. I'm on a good dusting regiment, and I'm happy w/ his progress.
IAmCarl
New Member
Agree, my Chams have the same ratio of poo to Urates as what you are saying.
Both my veiled and Panther drink while I'm around so I know they are getting H2O. Some Chams are a bit secretive when they drink from What I have read.
hockeychameleon
Member
Agree, my Chams have the same ratio of poo to Urates as what you are saying.
Both my veiled and Panther drink while I'm around so I know they are getting H2O. Some Chams are a bit secretive when they drink from What I have read.
Yes i never see my cham drink!
This is the first I've heard of a 50/50 ratio of poop to urates or any indication of calcium levels or supplementation by just looking at feces. The ratio thing is like people measuring the volume of how much they pee each day compared to size of the logs they leave. Amount of urine depends on how much you drank that day and some components of food will have diuretic effects to make more urine, or the opposite. And the size of feces depends on what you ate, how much you ate, and how well it digested. Two different body systems - urinary vs digestive, so really not comparable. I have never used that type of ratio for guidelines. Sometimes the urates will be more than the feces, which indicates to me the animals aren't eating very well. Or if urates are significantly less then the animal ate a good meal. I really wouldn't put much more thought into it than that. I observe a ratio of the urates being 1/3 of the total BM most often in all my chameleons and other reptiles.
As for the calcium thing...while urates are white and may sometimes look like calcium they are not directly correlated. Calcium is needed for muscular contraction to move things through the GI tract and absorb nutrients, yes. But it is not controlled on such a specific scale that fluctuations actually change any of that. You see changes with severe MBD when calcium has been severely depleted for a solid period of time causing some constipation, but even then it usually works still. And MBD chameleons do not have severely smaller urates despite their lack of calcium. So unless there is some scientific evidence to support that correlation (in any reptile or bird species) then I'm going to say that's a myth and let's not perpetuate that further and cause confusion.
As for the calcium thing...while urates are white and may sometimes look like calcium they are not directly correlated. Calcium is needed for muscular contraction to move things through the GI tract and absorb nutrients, yes. But it is not controlled on such a specific scale that fluctuations actually change any of that. You see changes with severe MBD when calcium has been severely depleted for a solid period of time causing some constipation, but even then it usually works still. And MBD chameleons do not have severely smaller urates despite their lack of calcium. So unless there is some scientific evidence to support that correlation (in any reptile or bird species) then I'm going to say that's a myth and let's not perpetuate that further and cause confusion.
Kenny C
Member
I am very sorry for this. I was told when Golem very young that it should be as close to 50/50 as possible, and I have used it and stressed over it as long as I have had him.
Once again I am sorry for pointing out something that I understood as fact that was not. That was my mistake which will never happen again.
And thank you for the fixing my view on this.
Once again I am sorry for pointing out something that I understood as fact that was not. That was my mistake which will never happen again.
And thank you for the fixing my view on this.
James Choi
New Member
Dripping or misting water isn't the only way you can hydrate chameleon. My chameleon didn't drink direct water. I hydrated my chameleon by giving her fruits such as watermelon or vegetables soaked in water. This helped my chameleon a lot.
melble68
Established Member
Kenny everyone around here at the forums has the same thing we're all trying to do. Take the best possible care of our chameleons, and obviously you are also wanting the same thing for you chameleon. We all learn something new from each other each and every day we're a members here. This started out to be a thread to help one member out w/ questions about weather here cham was drinking. We all helped her w/ some techniques and ideas to try, and then additionally we all learned more things about poop than we did before. OK, crap I can't just sit here and type this with out giggling again. Poop talk is just funny. No need to be sorry.
There are lots of weird myths with chameleons out there. Don't feel bad, this is how everyone learns! There are some examples of normal bowel movements on this thread to help you judge what's normal: https://www.chameleonforums.com/poop-101-a-120171/
There are some examples of normal bowel movements on this thread to help you judge what's normal: https://www.chameleonforums.com/poop-101-a-120171/
Kenny C
Member
I feel bad leading someone in the wrong direction. I LOVE THE FACT that I learned more about poo! ;-) I am on the forums regularly cause you guys honestly saved Golem's life and I love that I learn so much from you guys! I am just trying my best to take everything I have learned and share it with others. I would never want anyone to stress the way I did when Golem first came into my life. Even now there are things that I don't understand and I am learning and I love that!
