Caring for the Elderly

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Bert is going in for his check up today, he became dehydrated due to age and my own ignorance :( He is 8 years old at least, and has not been doing very well lately.

I am searching high and low for advice, information, anything, and it's really difficult. I did however find this on Senegal Chameleons, on their appearance:

. Expect 4-5 years from a captive-bred specimen kept properly hydrated and fed from hatching. The first signs of advanced age are a paling of the green body color and hollows above the turret inside the eye socket. Extreme old age is characterized by a thin look overall, minimal activity, and arthritic toe distortions. Older Senegal chameleons can benefit from softer prey to ease digestion and a soft "hammock" for basking to ease arthritic grips.

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Reference:
http://www.chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=164

I know there are differences between the species (Bert is a panther), but he exhibits the same physical attributes of the picture above; the eye turret is the most obvious. He gets 1.5-2cc of water with dilute Pedialyte along with frequent long mistings during the day and continues to show the same sunken eye look as a dehydrated Cham, or the older one above. The vet recommended 1cc/day and since he was not drinking on his own, during mistings, I increased the level. (his basking spot is 90, with gradient to 75 and is in a Screen cage, with live plant removed because of his mobility issues)

My main concern is that he may have some sort of cancer or tumor affecting his ability to eat/drink and absorb the appropriate nutrients. The vet bills are adding up and there is really nothing we can do if it is a tumor because he is so old. His quality of life is pretty limited right now, he has a weakened grip so his climbing vines and leaves have all been moved to a few inches from the ground so he doesn't injure himself if he falls. I frequently find him with his eyes closed, just laying there.

I did force feed insects, but he passed a cricket and two wax worms whole, so I took the advice of my vet and syringe fed chicken baby food. He seemed to perk up slightly after the switch. It is also much less stressful for him this way it seems.


His blood work came back and he had a slight calcium deficiency, I was dusting every other day, with T-rex Cricket Balancer and once monthly with calcium and D3. His blood work also showed "a change" in his white blood cells that indicates some sort of inflammation or infection. He is on Antibiotics, but I am going to ask about arthtritis to see if that may explain his weakened grip. His kidneys were showing a slight decrease in effectiveness but according to the vet; was not a worry, yet.

*sigh* If this were your chameleon, what would you do? I am battling with thoughts of euthanasia; he is not a happy guy and with little hope of him living longer, it seems pretty unfair to extend his life if he will be suffering.
 
:( Ps: When I say "dehydrated due to age and ignorance" I mean that I took his great drinking skills for granted and assumed he would continue with that good habit. *sigh*
 
Wow 8 years! I didn't think Senegals lived that long even in the wild. Sorry your guy isn't feeling too well. Senegals are my favorite chameleon. It might just be his time :(
 
He's a lovely senior citizen....I am humbled by your ability to keep him healthy this long.

As he's so aged, I don't know that anything you can do will help the situation. I encourage you to keep him as comfortable as possible but also want you to know that you've done a wonderful job with this chameleon. He's older than most when they go. So, while I will grieve with you, I will not accept any suggestion that you were at fault.
 
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I am impressed at this fellows age, may I suggest U find him a nice small pillow and while handeling him let him rest on the pillow and be comfortable while you sit with him and spend a few precious moments with another, that would so make him HAPPY, and as far as immobility I would cushion him and spend ur few quality times with him he may have left, He is an ancestor to the forum tribe and should be acknowleged as a trooper ; I would just want him to be comfortable
 
Whether or not you decide to euthanize him is a decision you will have to make. If his quality of life is to a point where its more "pain" than "pleasure" it would likely be for the best. Please make sure that its done properly though...a chameleon's brain has been said to function after "death" in some instances.

To keep him comfortable/help him in the meantime, if you keep him lower in the cage so he won't fall, please make sure you move his UVB light lower and make sure he doesn't end up sitting under the basking light, unable to move out of it. (I'm sure you will know this already...but...)

I do think that chameleons (panthers in particular) develop arthritis in their old age....no proof, just my opinion from seeing senior chameleons over the last 20+ years.

You've done well to have given him such a long life!
 
Thank you for your kind words, everyone! We just got back from his appointment and we are taking a more palliative approach. Since he's passed whole food and had diarrhea, we're giving him subcutaneous fluids and a round of injectable antibiotics. It's more or less to improve the bit of life he's got left. Since I've been feeding him, he's gained about 10 grams, so thats good, but both the vet and I basically agreed it was best to just keep him comfortable until he goes since any surgery or exploratory procedure would put him under un-due stress and possibly kill him sooner.

We shall see how the fluids help :) Again, thanks for the kind supportive words! I will post back here in a few days to update.
 
Here are some photos of the old chap. He's lost some of his blue glory, but still looks distinguished in his old age. He's laying on his favorite thing, the faux fur lining out of an old sweater of mine :)


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Wow! Another cham owner with a senior cham. I have a female panther who is going through some of the same things you mentioned, although she is still eating on her own. I also recently put up a post as to "when" the time is right to say enough. I also have a severely handicapped baby bearded dragon with MBD and was deciding on what was best for him.

I've come to the conclusion that for both of my guys, i will continue to do the best that i can for them, as long as i can, until THEY tell me they've had enough. Do they do that? Absolutely. I had a ltc melleri cham that passed a few years back that spent his last couple of months laying on towels in a laundry basket. He was quite content there, never attempted to get out, and continued to allow me to feed and water him, but when he decided enough was enough, he wouldn't let me do it no matter how hard i tried. He also had a very large tumor, that we presumed to be malignant. His name was Sprite and his pic is in my avatar. sniffle. For my female panther, i've turned her cage sideways and arranged all lower branches and so far she is doing extremely well. It seems that their grip is one of the first things to start showing weakness. As far as my beardie, he'll have a wheelcart soon so he won't have to drag himself around. And all will be well for awhile.

I wish you the best of luck with your guy and he is STILL a very handsome guy.....You are doing an awesome job with him.
 
My old NosyBe lived over 7 years before I had him euthanized. I believe I very much understand your situation. his last few months were difficult for him - his grip weakened, his ability/desire to eat and drink lessened.

I started hand feeding and hand watering 4-6 times a day (a little each time). He did alright this way for months. Still able to move around on wider, easier to grip vines and ramps in a cage without much vertical and where temps were closely monitored.

For me, it became clear Simon was no longer "happy" when he no longer showed excitement at his favourite prey item. No more falshes of sky blue colouration, just dull.

Have you considered/tried smashing up a number of bugs along with a little water and giving him that? Also are you only giving him 1cc a day, or is that 1cc several times a day?
 
I haven't mushed up bugs yet, but I have a recipe saved that I will try. :)

Initially, I only gave 1cc/day on the vet's recommendation but, It's between 2-3 cc/day now. I can't find any "eight cups a day" style recommendations, can they get hyponatremia?

:confused:
 
wow, I feel like a fool. Upon some internet research (old posts/emails) I have learned that I have been lying this entire time. I brought Bert home on May 11, 2004, making him not 8, but 6-ish

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That was snapped a week after coming home... He was about 4" snout to vent. Not sure how old that'd make him.

oi....:(
 
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