baby pardalis (nosy mitsio) with 'horn'

Sepioteuthis

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A follow chameleonkeeper from the Netherlands asked me to post these pictures of a young nosy mitsio that he hatched out. He would like to know if anyone one else has ever seen a pardalis with a horn.

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for the original post on the Dutch cham forum:
http://www.de-kvn.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5147

Any feedback is much appreciated,

Suzanne
 
A few thoughts...

  1. wtf...
  2. It's a nub, not a horn
  3. thought it could become one I suppose
  4. tell them to get an Xray
  5. wtf
  6. X-Cham
  7. now I'm just being silly
  8. bye
 
Strange very strange I never seen a panther with a horn. If in fact that is a horn. And I'm not sure that is a N.mitsio.
 
We have hatched out several clutches of Nosy Mitsios and have never seen a horn on them. Did any of the other siblings have this? It is more than like a genetic defect. He's cute though.
 
I think it looks like a little human nose too. He's cute though.:) I would like to see some more pics as this little guy grows. It will be interesting to see how he turns out!
 
A few thoughts...
[*]It's a nub, not a horn

I think you're probably right, it doesn't seem to have the same structure as a horn of, say, a jacksonii.
But it's more fun to call it a horn :)

And to answer someone else's question; no, none of the siblings have this.
 
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I have clutches of Nosy Mitsio's and none of them have "horns" or "nubs." He does seem to look like a pardalis from the photos... could be a genetic defect? Or a growth?

Interesting.
 
hi,
im the breeder of the strange mitsio,
the father is an f2 mitsio,breeded by the brother and sister of f1
the mother is from the same father and a wc female.
none of the brothers or sisters have such a thing like this, but i'm almost sure it turns out in a real horn,her e picture where you could see it from the front
 
Interesting that there was some inbreeding involved. It reminds me of, and I forget the technical name for it, the condition where ancestral traits that are hidden in the genome are re-expressed. Such as when human babies are born with tails. This would mean the ancient ancestors of what became F. pardalis had a single rostral process that was lost by natural selection. It just needed the right combination of genes from closely related animals to be re-expressed.
 
Another reason why, no matter how attractive your cousin is, to keep your hands in your own pants.

On a more serious note, I'd like to see more photos, and Im going to have to actually sit down to figure out this little ones paresnts relation to each other...
 
and Im going to have to actually sit down to figure out this little ones paresnts relation to each other...


If I understand correctly the father was the result of an F1 breeding between clutchmates. The father first fathered a clutch with a WC female. One of the daughters from this clutch was raised. Then the father sired the clutch, of which this horned baby is a part of, with one of his daughters from the earlier clutch. So, brother and sister produce a male who later mates with his own daughter?

Maykel, I agree. It does look like a bony horn. PLEASE please please keep us updated. Can't wait to see what it does. Good luck!
 
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If I understand correctly the father was the result of an F1 breeding between clutchmates. The father first fathered a clutch with a WC female. One of the daughters from this clutch was raised. Then the father sired the clutch, of which this horned baby is a part of, with one of his daughters from the earlier clutch. So, brother and sister produce a male who later mates with his own daughter?

Time for a Family tree diagram...
 
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