baby pardalis (nosy mitsio) with 'horn'

[Sepioteuthis]

A follow chameleonkeeper from the Netherlands asked me to post these pictures of a young nosy mitsio that he hatched out. He would like to know if anyone one else has ever seen a pardalis with a horn.

for the original post on the Dutch cham forum:
http://www.de-kvn.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5147

Any feedback is much appreciated,

Suzanne

 

[Vegas Chad]

OT, Wow... Seems like the Dutch have LOTS of parsons!

Never seen the horn before... hmmmmm

 

[Will Hayward]

A few thoughts...

1. wtf...
2. It's a nub, not a horn
3. thought it could become one I suppose
4. tell them to get an Xray
5. wtf
6. X-Cham
7. now I'm just being silly
8. bye

 

[Dean Pulcini]

Strange very strange I never seen a panther with a horn. If in fact that is a horn. And I'm not sure that is a N.mitsio.

 

[Screameleons]

We have hatched out several clutches of Nosy Mitsios and have never seen a horn on them. Did any of the other siblings have this? It is more than like a genetic defect. He's cute though.

 

[Jerambis]

In the first picture his horn looks like a human's nose. Like a human crossed with a cham. Weird.

 

[lbesok]

I think it looks like a little human nose too. He's cute though. I would like to see some more pics as this little guy grows. It will be interesting to see how he turns out!

 

[Sepioteuthis]

A few thoughts...
[*]It's a nub, not a horn

I think you're probably right, it doesn't seem to have the same structure as a horn of, say, a jacksonii.
But it's more fun to call it a horn

And to answer someone else's question; no, none of the siblings have this.

 

[Prism Chameleons]

I have clutches of Nosy Mitsio's and none of them have "horns" or "nubs." He does seem to look like a pardalis from the photos... could be a genetic defect? Or a growth?

Interesting.

 

[Kent67]

Any idea the source of the female? WC or CB?

Evolution? Furcifer rhinocerdalis anyone?

 

[maykelbroekman]

hi,
im the breeder of the strange mitsio,
the father is an f2 mitsio,breeded by the brother and sister of f1
the mother is from the same father and a wc female.
none of the brothers or sisters have such a thing like this, but i'm almost sure it turns out in a real horn,her e picture where you could see it from the front

 

[pohchunyee]

Thats weird.........but special.....may fetcha a very good price

 

[Vegas Chad]

Maybe its just really horney? Get it.. HORNEY? Ok, im done...

 

[VerteX]

A genetic hiccup I see. I hope it won't interfere with his breathing in the future. But still, wtf mate^^?

 

[Kent67]

Interesting that there was some inbreeding involved. It reminds me of, and I forget the technical name for it, the condition where ancestral traits that are hidden in the genome are re-expressed. Such as when human babies are born with tails. This would mean the ancient ancestors of what became F. pardalis had a single rostral process that was lost by natural selection. It just needed the right combination of genes from closely related animals to be re-expressed.

 

[Will Hayward]

Another reason why, no matter how attractive your cousin is, to keep your hands in your own pants.

On a more serious note, I'd like to see more photos, and Im going to have to actually sit down to figure out this little ones paresnts relation to each other...

 

[Kent67]

and Im going to have to actually sit down to figure out this little ones paresnts relation to each other...

If I understand correctly the father was the result of an F1 breeding between clutchmates. The father first fathered a clutch with a WC female. One of the daughters from this clutch was raised. Then the father sired the clutch, of which this horned baby is a part of, with one of his daughters from the earlier clutch. So, brother and sister produce a male who later mates with his own daughter?

Maykel, I agree. It does look like a bony horn. PLEASE please please keep us updated. Can't wait to see what it does. Good luck!

 

[Will Hayward]

If I understand correctly the father was the result of an F1 breeding between clutchmates. The father first fathered a clutch with a WC female. One of the daughters from this clutch was raised. Then the father sired the clutch, of which this horned baby is a part of, with one of his daughters from the earlier clutch. So, brother and sister produce a male who later mates with his own daughter?

Time for a Family tree diagram...

 

[Kent67]

Time for a Family tree diagram...

You interpreting it as something else or don't understand?

 

[Will Hayward]

Just trying to put it into better perspective...