Baby Jackson's Sleeping During The Day?

Bertramus

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I'm new to the forum, just got my baby boy yesterday and I'm already noticing some behavior that seems odd after all I've read and researched. Hopefully I'm just overreacting.

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. - Male Jackson's Chameleon, not sure of the exact of the three variations. He's about 1-2 weeks old.

How long has it been in your care? 1 day and a night.

Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? I handled him the first time I fed him a couple hours ago, (setting him onto the cup's edge) and when I picked him out from his clutch. A few hours after he was first introduced to his cage, he also slipped and fell from the branches.. so I had to help him back up...

Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? I've only fed him once since I got him, a couple hours ago, he ate two small sized crickets, not pinheads, but small ones that are about half the size of his head. I haven't really gutloaded them yet, but they've been eating fishfood until I get to the store to get proper supplies.

Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? None yet, will soon.

Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I spray his tank once in the morning, and then leave his drip system on while I'm at school (having my mom refill it once or twice in my absence) When I get home, I spray about once or twice every hour/2hours.

Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Haven't seen any yet.

Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? No

History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. I got him from a guy who's pair laid a clutch/litter, whatever you call them. He was keeping them in a really large tank, not a screen one, but it was big, and all his chameleons were pretty happy/healthy looking. The babies were all roaming the plant with the parents, colors consisting of dark brown/black and white. I don't think the guy supplements his chameleons though, and just feeds them crickets from the store.

Cage Info: He's in a 12" by 12" by 20" high tank, with a screen top and front that I leave open sometimes while I'm in the room. Inside is a large diagonally resting birch branch, along with plenty of vines and silk leaves to climb in. Sphagnum moss at the bottom.

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? He's in a 12" by 12" by 20" high tank, with a screen top and front .

Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? I'm using a Zilla Day Blue Light that provides his UVA as well as a basking spot since it keeps the highest point in his cage at about 80 or less.

Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Cage floor is about mid to low 70s while the top of the cage reaches 80 at most. Overnight, the cage drops into the mid 60s.

Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? a small "Personal space humidifier" That I bought from walgreens that sits at the bottom of his tank, I'm still trying to get the timer to work, so it's off while I'm at school but on at night and while I'm home so I can monitor it. I use a "Great Choice" Hygrometer that sticks to the side of the tank. I know it's not 100% accurate but it works fine for the average.

Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? A dead birch branch is all, if that counts. Dead sphagnum moss.

Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? It's on my dresser in my room, The top of the cage is about 4 feet from the floor.


Location - Alaska (but not the crazy far north)

Current Problem - I've done a lot of research and I know that it's not good for a chameleon to be sleeping during the day, well; mine does. I'm not sure if this is because he's still trying to adapt to his new tank, (sorry if I may have rushed into posting for this 'problem' but I just want to be sure I'm taking care of him right so if this is a problem, it won't progress further.

He ate a couple crickets a couple hours ago, but now all he's doing is sitting on his perch with his eyes closed and a dull brown body color. I sometimes try to nudge him a bit to see if he's alright, but it takes so much to get him to even open his eyes. It's like I have to pick him up and tickle him to get them to open.
Note- Last night, I almost made a post because he was doing that thing where he rubs his eye on a branch, sometimes leaving a bubble in it and it made it a bit swollen. I read around on here what to do for that and I misted his cage really well and left him for the night. It's all gone now and he looks all better. Hopefully the info I've given helps, I'm also kind of making this post to be sure I'm giving him good care(I'm also worried...). Thanks in advanced.
 
First of all I am sorry that your chameleon is not doing well. You are right, that sleeping during the day is not a good sign. It is night time where I live so I don't know what time it is in Alaska. I want to say that whoever sold you a week or two week old baby is wrong. Too young and fragile to be sold to someone with no experience. Sorry. And you said he keeps them in with the parents??? They eat the babies!! I know you said you have done research, but you are lacking one of the most critical things for chameleon health and that is UVB light. Also, you should be feeding pinhead crickets and not anything bigger for a week old chameleon. As far as I know that Zilla blue daylight bulb is a basking bulb so right now you have two UVA sources and no UVB source. Get a Reptisun 5.0 tube style light asap.
 
I'm new to the forum, just got my baby boy yesterday and I'm already noticing some behavior that seems odd after all I've read and researched. Hopefully I'm just overreacting.

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. - Male Jackson's Chameleon, not sure of the exact of the three variations. He's about 1-2 weeks old. Usually people do not sell chameleons before the age of 2 months

How long has it been in your care? 1 day and a night. Any issue you are experiencing (stress, lack of appetite, etc) is usually due to the chameleon not being used to the environment yet

Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? I handled him the first time I fed him a couple hours ago, (setting him onto the cup's edge) and when I picked him out from his clutch. A few hours after he was first introduced to his cage, he also slipped and fell from the branches.. so I had to help him back up... I would leave him alone for the first day or so when you first get him. He is probably stressed.

Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? I've only fed him once since I got him, a couple hours ago, he ate two small sized crickets, not pinheads, but small ones that are about half the size of his head. I haven't really gutloaded them yet, but they've been eating fishfood until I get to the store to get proper supplies. Ditch the fish food. Get some stuff like butternut squash, kale, apple, and oranges to feed your feeders. It's good he is eating for you so early

Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? None yet, will soon. I recommend just finding a container of non-d3 calcium (powder) and d3 calcium powder, matching brands. Dust the food 2-3 times a week with regular calcium, then once a month with the d3 powder.

Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I spray his tank once in the morning, and then leave his drip system on while I'm at school (having my mom refill it once or twice in my absence) When I get home, I spray about once or twice every hour/2hours. Sounds good. If you notice he is afraid of the water in the spray try warming it up first (making it hot so it sprays warm)

Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Haven't seen any yet. Poop should be 1 part black/brown and 1 part white. If it is yellow or orange (supposed to be white part) then mist him more.

Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? No It is a good precaution to get him tested, but he is not WC so it is less a priority

History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. I got him from a guy who's pair laid a clutch/litter, whatever you call them. He was keeping them in a really large tank, not a screen one, but it was big, and all his chameleons were pretty happy/healthy looking. The babies were all roaming the plant with the parents, colors consisting of dark brown/black and white. I don't think the guy supplements his chameleons though, and just feeds them crickets from the store. Babies at a young age go from dark with light stripes to brown and then usually develop green later. Do not house two chameleons in the same cage (babies are ok)

Cage Info: He's in a 12" by 12" by 20" high tank, with a screen top and front that I leave open sometimes while I'm in the room. Inside is a large diagonally resting birch branch, along with plenty of vines and silk leaves to climb in. Sphagnum moss at the bottom. Ditch the moss, he might choke on it while trying to eat. It does not matter if you hand feed or have a feeding cup, ditch the moss. Also maybe try getting him a live plant :) Soon he will need a bigger screen cage though.

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? He's in a 12" by 12" by 20" high tank, with a screen top and front . He will need full screen cage (unless you live in an area where it is hard to keep up humidity/heat) that is 18x18x30 inches high when he gets older. I do not recommend keeping him in that cage you have now for much longer

Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? I'm using a Zilla Day Blue Light that provides his UVA as well as a basking spot since it keeps the highest point in his cage at about 80 or less. Try getting your hands on a 50-60 watt house bulb for heat, very cheap, more efficient than "reptile" lights. Also use UVB bulbs/uvb tubes for uvb. I don't know about that blue light but it sounds like it could be an issue

Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Cage floor is about mid to low 70s while the top of the cage reaches 80 at most. Overnight, the cage drops into the mid 60s. Sounds ok, but have the cage floor maybe be a bit cooler. Try raising the basking light a tad (maybe an inch or two) higher somehow. Or his basking spot lower

Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? a small "Personal space humidifier" That I bought from walgreens that sits at the bottom of his tank, I'm still trying to get the timer to work, so it's off while I'm at school but on at night and while I'm home so I can monitor it. I use a "Great Choice" Hygrometer that sticks to the side of the tank. I know it's not 100% accurate but it works fine for the average. Humidy should be okay w/out the humidifier if you mist a lot and have the dripper on, honestly. I recommend getting a very accurate humidity gauge. You need periods of time where it gets up to 80% then gradually dries out during the day, and have it go up to 80% two more times.

Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? A dead birch branch is all, if that counts. Dead sphagnum moss. Again, ditch the moss. Try maybe adding fake vines and leaves, also a fake plant would be great for humidity and is good for the cham to hang out on.

Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? It's on my dresser in my room, The top of the cage is about 4 feet from the floor. Does not really matter where the cage is


Location - Alaska (but not the crazy far north)

Current Problem - I've done a lot of research and I know that it's not good for a chameleon to be sleeping during the day, well; mine does. I'm not sure if this is because he's still trying to adapt to his new tank, (sorry if I may have rushed into posting for this 'problem' but I just want to be sure I'm taking care of him right so if this is a problem, it won't progress further.

He ate a couple crickets a couple hours ago, but now all he's doing is sitting on his perch with his eyes closed and a dull brown body color. I sometimes try to nudge him a bit to see if he's alright, but it takes so much to get him to even open his eyes. It's like I have to pick him up and tickle him to get them to open.
Note- Last night, I almost made a post because he was doing that thing where he rubs his eye on a branch, sometimes leaving a bubble in it and it made it a bit swollen. I read around on here what to do for that and I misted his cage really well and left him for the night. It's all gone now and he looks all better. Hopefully the info I've given helps, I'm also kind of making this post to be sure I'm giving him good care(I'm also worried...). Thanks in advanced.
Honestly you have only had him for a couple days. He is probably freaking out from relocation. Do not worry, just watch his behavior the next couple days/week.

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Alright, I'm going to the store tomorrow so I'll be sure to do this. What's the difference between a UVA and UVB?

I realize now that I might not be the proper owner for a newborn Jackson's... I hope I'll be able to pull this off, I would feel terrible if I lost him. :\
 
Yes, I forgot to add that he is new to his environment and they go through a period of adjustment. Some don't eat right away and hide and are dark in color. This is all normal, but the sleeping during the day is not.
 
Yes that light is ok. A lot of people use them. The tubes are more preferred as they cover more area. Some people say the compacts can be too strong for babies eyes. A lot of debate on here over compacts, but you need a uvb source for your chameleon so get it. Google the difference between uva and uvb. You can get the technical definition, but as far as chameleons go, uvb is required to produce d3 which aids in absorbing calcium in their bones. Raising a little one like that can be done and we are here to help. I didn't mean to say anything negative against you, it was geared toward the person selling chameleons that young to people who are not experienced. It's not your fault. With the proper set up you should be ok. Can you get any pinhead crickets?
 
This helped me - a lot-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKTbUaOQ0aA it was done by a member here.

Get him some fruit flies - the best are hydia but you can usually get the smaller ones at petco- if you put a piece of fruit in the cage the fruit flies will go to it make sure that you put the fruit in a place where he has a good shot at catching the flies -
 
I've already watched that video, thanks :)

and yes, not pinheads, but they're extremely small and he seems to be eating them okay. They're each about the size of his eye, maybe a tad bigger for a couple of them. Thanks for your help, and I'll keep posted.
 
Another food I got for my baby was staple flies from mantisplace.com- he loved them - and he really moved around and hunted which I think did him good- I got mine when he was a week and 1/2 old from someone who had 10 unexpected babies from a mother they got at petsmart- I had had a chameleon in the past but really didn't have a clue- and make sure if your dusting your crickets that the dust your using is plain calcium and has no 3D - I was told early on that most Jackson babies die because of over supplimentation and I was paranoid and didn't use 3 D at all- and most likely should have dusted more with the plain calcium but I didn't use it at all until he was almost 3 months old and now he gets very lightly - I'll most likely get hell for it - but I have also seen people who've never had a baby Jackson tell people to suppliment like a baby vield or panther- and they get it worse from the experts - I've only had one baby Jackson- someone who's raised them can give you way better info on that - just make sure they've had baby Jackson's - or go by the care sheet-
I am an old lady and I have had no luck breeding crickets or silkworms but I can get a fruit fly culture to grow - you can buy a bag of the started and one producing and have food for months - you still need to add other things - the small phoenix worms are good - i like them off the site the ones I got at the pet store hatched on me - but I liked them as they are high in calcium and I was afraid to dust - I had better luck with my baby than they had with the rest of the clutch - I think it was because he had a more different foods and a lot of flying things that kept him active - It may have been dumb luck...
 
So here's an update. I got the bulb and he's been using it for a couple days now, he's been doing slightly better, his colors change to the black and white when he's active and his eyes open a lot more open, he's also eating 4-6 crickets a day. He does however still sleep during the day quite often, and I haven't seen him drink yet but sometimes when he's chewing/swallowing his food I'll use a dripper to sneak a drip of water into his mouth, is that bad? I'm a bit worried still.

And thanks for that, I'll have to see about a fruit fly colony
 
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